Help with an Amber Ale

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  1. TheGr8Sarcasmo

    TheGr8Sarcasmo Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2015 Indiana

    My wife and Brother in law are running a race on May 2 and I told my bro in law I was make him a beer to celebrate. Of course he said his favorite beers are light beers and fat tire (which I don't care for). So I am going to try to make an Amber ale I don't hate, but I haven't made one in years, so any helpful advice would be appreciated. I need to brew it in the next day or so to give it enough time to ferment before the 28th because I am out of town from the 28th through the 1st.

    OG - 1.060 (based on 65% efficiency)
    SRM - 15
    IBU - 38
    ABV - 5.9%
    5.5 Gallons
    90 minute boil

    Pilsner -------- 40%
    Maris Otter -- 20%
    Red Wheat -- 10%
    Dark Munich - 10%
    Victory -------- 12.5%
    Caramel 80L - 7.5%

    Cascade - 0.5 oz - 90 mins
    Nugget --- 0.5 oz - 25 mins
    Nugget --- 0.5 oz - 15 mins
    Crystal ---- 0.5 oz - 5 mins

    2 oz Nugget & 1 oz Crystal steep at 170 in whirpool

    Yeast - S-04 - 2L starter

    The water will be kroger brand spring water. Might add some gypsum, haven't decided.

    So, there it is. As I said, any constructive criticism is welcome.
     
  2. sarcastro

    sarcastro Savant (1,097) Sep 20, 2006 Michigan

    You arent supposed to make a starter for dry yeast. 1 packet should be enough.Make sure you rehydrate the day of before pitching.
     
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  3. TheGr8Sarcasmo

    TheGr8Sarcasmo Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2015 Indiana

    Fair enough, I was just worried about the short turnaround time, plus I have some S-04 I had harvested from a previous batch. I didn't mention that though.
     
  4. FeDUBBELFIST

    FeDUBBELFIST Pooh-Bah (1,765) Oct 31, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I tend to think simpler grain bills work out better for most beers, especially a simple beer like an amber ale. I would cut the wheat and pils out and just use Maris Otter in their place. Never used crystal hops, so I can't comment on them, but I would consider getting more cascade in the later part of the boil and steep.

    All just personal opinion...
     
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  5. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,946) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    As long as you are buying water, I would make it distilled or RO vs. spring water. Then, add gypsum or what ever you need/want. Or just go with the spring water and don't bother with gypsum.

    Ditch the Pils and Munich and Victory and go with just the Marris Otter and the C80 (maybe some wheat), which makes me think, why not aim for a "traditional" ESB? There are very few beer drinkers who wouldn't drink that.
     
  6. TheGr8Sarcasmo

    TheGr8Sarcasmo Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2015 Indiana

    Thats a good idea on the ESB. I was actually thinking of saying screw the amber and making a Burton, because its been on my list of things to try for awhile. But I would need far more time to make a good burton.

    So, how about this for an ESB?

    70% Maris Otter
    10% Torrified Wheat
    10% C60
    10% Victory

    .25 magnum at 90
    .5 Cascade at 60
    1 Williamette at 10
    1 EKG at 10

    S-04

    I'll probably still use Kroger Spring water because I always do. I don't typically deal with water chemistry much, though I might add the gypsum just to give it some crispness and adjust PH.
     
  7. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,946) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    I would not bother with the Victory since Maris Otter has enough flavor on its own. I've never used the wheat before. If you have some C80 or C120, a touch (2-3%) would add a little bit "more" to the C60, something like 90% Maris Otter (or add some of the wheat) and 7% C60 and 3% C120.

    Why the magnum at 90 and the cascade at 60? Why not both at 60? Why add the cascade at all?
     
  8. TheGr8Sarcasmo

    TheGr8Sarcasmo Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2015 Indiana

    I like magnum as a clean bittering hop that offers little in the way of any flavor or aroma. I like Cascade at 60 because even with long boil times it generally still gives a little citrus tone.

    I'll look at the malt bill a little. I tend to lean more toward the mid range crystal malts in beers like this because I tend to like the flavor a bit better.

    I havent used torrified wheat before either, but i figured its worth a shot.
     
  9. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    I think it's easy to make an amber beer that's really tasty, and not like Fat Tire.

    I personally wouldn't use pils malt, jack up the Maris Otter, and nix the wheat. I'd use a pound of crystal mix between 40 and 80, or even a little 120. Some victory and carapils and you're done.
     
  10. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Like Red Seal perhaps? (my favorite...a little hoppier than most : )
     
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  11. TheGr8Sarcasmo

    TheGr8Sarcasmo Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2015 Indiana

    I ended up brewing a 3 GA batch last night pretty much the same as the Recipe above. I did 75% Maris Otter, bumped up the victory, and c80, and a dash of midnight wheat for color and I replaced the torrified wheat with some white wheat. I ended up putting the cascade in at 45 mins because I kind of spaced out for a minute and a 1/2 tsp of gypsum in the strike water. It'll probably end up being like the bastard child of Deschutes Cinder Cone Red/Fullers ESB. At least I hope so.

    The color is pretty dead on SRM 16 or so and the aroma was good. I'll let you kmnow how it turns out.
     
  12. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    I lean towards a maltier amber beer, but that would be very successful.
     
  13. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Alaska Amber maybe? ...but that would be an Alt, right?

    Brewers can call their beer anything they want...if they're willing to receive cease and desist letters : )
     
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