Help with band aid bombs

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  1. benpeters

    benpeters Initiate (0) Dec 1, 2014 Pennsylvania

    All grain

    7# Belgian Pilsen Malt
    1# Flaked Oats
    4# Belgian Aromatic Malt
    1oz Magnum 60 min boil
    mash 150 1hr


    White Labs 400 Belgian Wit Ale Yeast 2L starter made 2 days prior

    fermented @68 in temp controlled chamber glass carboys

    did two of these one with organic blueberry juice in secondary the other frozen and thawed strawberries in secondary.

    i wish i had of tasted the second one before i did the strawberries, a lot of money wasted there

    I know that this flavor is typical if you brew with regular untreated tap water

    I filter my brew water through a carbon filter the night before and store in my mash tun and HLT both of which are converted igloo coolers, lids closed.

    I heat my water in a 15 gal ss pot and add water to mash tun, mix grains and wait

    Meanwhile I heat remaining water to 180 degrees and store in HLT (converted cooler) possible problem #1?

    After mash, vorlauf and collect first runnings and start heating them.

    Add appropriate sparge water amount, stir let sit 10 minutes and vorlauf again and collect rest of runnings

    After boil run through plate chiller problem #2? right into glass carboy usually somewhere around 60 degrees or so into carboy problem #3?

    aerate with mix stir stick, pitch yeast and place into chamber 68 degrees

    after one week transfer onto either blueberry juice or strawberries

    bottle condition 2 weeks

    I brewed this two separate times and both are horrible. I thought it tasted off when i went to rack in on the juice but thought maybe if was the yeast since i haven't used it before. The second one, i tasted after on berries for a week and bad taste as well, definitely band aid flavor. if I'd had tasted it before i rack onto the strawberries i prob could have saved em but too late now.

    when i am done with a brew day i obviously clean everything. But i do not use filtered water to clean problem #4? i use either pbw or oxyclean, whichever i reach for and use star san as well. the carboys i usually soak with cleaner and then rinse out with tap water and spray star san inside carboy not enough?

    is star san useless against tap water? my star san solution is in a spray bottle using distilled water

    I rinse everything with just unfiltered water, brewpot, mash tun, HLT, plate chiller. sometimes i spray with star san sometimes i don't, would it make any difference with the untreated water? is that my problem i rinse multiple times on everything but if that water is the culprit it's not helping any

    do i need to figure out a way to store filtered water for cleaning? i know there are a lot of variables here i just am shocked that this has turned up now. i have done a blonde ale, a couple belgian style beers, and a few stouts and no flavors detected, same method

    sorry for such a lengthy post but i want to give ya the most info i can

    thanks

    Ben
     
  2. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Band aid comes from chlorine or chloramine in your water. Using a Campden tablet to treat the water before it touches the grain prevents this problem. Always use a Campden, even if you think you don't need it.

    The other source of band aid is infection. Since two previous beers were fine. This is more likely to be the current problem. Plate chillers can get gunked up pretty easily and become a source of infection.

    How are you cleaning and sanitizing the plate chiller?
     
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  3. benpeters

    benpeters Initiate (0) Dec 1, 2014 Pennsylvania

    Back flush multiple times both ways with regular water through food grade hose then spray star san inside. Let drain best can, spray connections again and let sit till next use
     
  4. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    That could be the problem. Just flushing it with water, even if it's really hot water, won't clean it completely. Sanitizing a dirty chiller isn't too effective.

    Now to fix the chiller, you can soak it in hot PBW (2oz/gal) and water inside a pot on the stove. Keep the temp from 180-190F for at least a few hours. Let it soak overnight. I'd be surprised if you don't see stuff coming out of the chiller. You may have to do this more than once.
     
  5. benpeters

    benpeters Initiate (0) Dec 1, 2014 Pennsylvania

    So you don't think the other rinsing is an issue at all?

    And how effective is star san on regular water

    Also what is the correct way to use campden tablets
     
  6. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Cleaning and rinsing with heavily chlorinated tap water has never been a problem for me. Chloramine might be a different story, but I doubt it.

    StarSan works fine with tap water unless your tap water is too hard. It works very well with distilled water and can last several months with distilled water.

    1/2 a Campden tablet treats 10 gallons of water. Crush the tablet into a powder. Put it in your water. Stir it. Let it sit for 15 minutes. Then start heating the water to brew.
     
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  7. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    I agree with Brew_Betty, you're not cleaning your chiller at all, just rinsing it, and a bio-film will develop. However, I'm not a fan of PBW. I don't think it works well, and it leaves a residue. If you're going to use it, I'd suggest you at the very least follow it with an acid wash. I'd try to find some real caustic (sodium hydroxide), but I'm not sure of how home brewers go about that (?). Just my 2 cents. Good luck.
     
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  8. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Clean the chiller as talked about above. Bake it in an oven preheated to 350F for an hour plus, that should kill the bugs and critters.
     
  9. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I want to say carbon filtering wont do a damn thing for chloramines. My city water switched, and while my carbon filter worked well to remove chlorine, it wouldn't touch the chloramines leaving me with band aid babay diaper tripels.
     
  10. benpeters

    benpeters Initiate (0) Dec 1, 2014 Pennsylvania

    That's one if the things I'm worried about, does that mean all the water I use to rinse should be treated as well?
     
  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Eliminating chloramine is more difficult. You need a multi-stage carbon block filtering system and you need to operate at a slow flow rate in order to eliminate chloramine.

    Cheers!
     
  12. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    For those of you treating tap water, do you use potassium metabisulfite or sodium metabisulfite? I see both listed as campden tablets on some sites.
     
  13. Todd_Marsh

    Todd_Marsh Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2016

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  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Thanks for that link!

    I was surprised how effective the Brita water filter was given that it is constituted of a single filter stage. I was under the impression that multiple filters were needed but the Brita eliminates 90% of the chloramine which is quite impressive!!

    Cheers!
     
  15. Dan_K

    Dan_K Pooh-Bah (1,980) Nov 8, 2013 Colorado
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    Well crap. I just brewed a Tripel with tap water. I'm really hoping I'm not going to have this off-flavor. We're making another batch soon so I'll check the water report again and see if I need to do some mitigation.

    ETA: Water report doesn't list Chloramine, it looks like Chlorine is used in our tap water. Hmm... not sure what I can do with this data.
     
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  16. runbirddrinkbeer

    runbirddrinkbeer Pooh-Bah (1,722) Oct 24, 2009 Florida
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    your tripel _may_ have that off flavor, unfortunately. As Brew_Betty said Campden tabs are cheap insurance for your beer. 1/4 tab for 5 gallons. Chlorine or Chloramine, doesn't matter, works for both. I would use it even after filtering. May help hot side oxidation.....some concerns about the oxygen scavenging affect but not a problem with all grain as it is boiled off eventually. With extract Campden could conceivably reduce available oxygen for your yeast if you top up after boiling with campden treated water.....
     
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  17. Dan_K

    Dan_K Pooh-Bah (1,980) Nov 8, 2013 Colorado
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    We are doing extract brews right now. Don't have a scintered stone to oxygenate the wort.
    Tasted the beer as we were bottling it, didn't taste bad but I felt like it was really lacking in balance. Needs 2-4 weeks in the bottle I'd imagine before it's at it's full potential.
    Maybe look into using RO water for the next batch and build up the minerals the way we want. I have no problems using Campden but like you said sounds like it may produce other issues.
     
  18. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    It has been my consistent experience that higher gravity beers really benefit from extended time in the bottle. I would suggest that you will need a longer timeframe than 2-4 weeks for your Tripel to reach its "full potential". I would highly recommend patience here.

    Cheers!
     
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  19. Dan_K

    Dan_K Pooh-Bah (1,980) Nov 8, 2013 Colorado
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    Thanks man, really appreciate it, and sorry to sidetrack the thread. I estimate the ABV we were able to get is pretty close to 9.0-9.2, FG was 1.018; we got it down a few more points by letting it ferment for 17 days. If it turns out really good might do a mini write-up on it. I might skip the usual 1-week bottle and try it first at 2+ weeks.
     
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  20. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I am sort of planning on brewing a Tripel in a few months. I would enjoy reading your write-up.

    Cheers!
     
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