Help with "cheesiness" in sours

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  1. Eriktheipaman

    Eriktheipaman Pooh-Bah (2,303) Sep 4, 2010 California
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    Not bitchy at all, sometimes my mind wonders when looking at multiple threads. My bad.
     
    #21 Eriktheipaman, Aug 13, 2013
  2. OneDropSoup

    OneDropSoup Pooh-Bah (2,213) Dec 9, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    S'all good. Sometimes I get aspy & turn into the thread ****.
     
    #22 OneDropSoup, Aug 13, 2013
  3. fritts211

    fritts211 Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2011 Tennessee

    Ok, so far as contenders we have: old hops, butyric acid, methylbutanoic acid (maybe from over Brett or the old hops), pedio/and or lacto.

    Science dammit...

    Do breweries know or measure these acids during the brewing process?
     
    #23 fritts211, Aug 13, 2013
  4. mborden

    mborden Zealot (653) Jan 28, 2009 New York

    Hmmm... this past Friday I popped my first ever Fantome Saison with a buddy of mine and we both agreed that there was a definite blue cheese-type quality about it. I'll be watching this thread with interest.
     
    #24 mborden, Aug 13, 2013
  5. UCLABrewN84

    UCLABrewN84 Initiate (0) Mar 18, 2010 California

    Alpine Chez Monieux is straight up blue cheese. It pairs well with buffalo wings.
     
    #25 UCLABrewN84, Aug 13, 2013
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  6. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    I'm pretty sure that I've seen the brewmaster of Jolly Pumpkin (a sour-only brewery) post on these forums...maybe they would chime in? Unfortunately I do not remember their user name...
     
    #26 Ranbot, Aug 13, 2013
  7. JesseLara

    JesseLara Pundit (886) Nov 4, 2012 California
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    Absolutely. Just had this for the first time and it has a ridiculous blue cheese funk to it. Glad I like blue cheese!
     
    #27 JesseLara, Aug 13, 2013
  8. oldp0rt

    oldp0rt Initiate (0) Feb 24, 2011 Canada (QC)

    Last cheesiness I found was in the New Glarus Cranbic (was old). Overwhelming to be honest.
     
    #28 oldp0rt, Aug 14, 2013
  9. Etan

    Etan Initiate (0) Jul 11, 2011 Wisconsin

    Probably lactobacillus. Depending on what's going on with the rest of the beer (other yeast/bacteria profile, malt profile, etc...), you can definitely get a dairy/yogurty/cheesy aroma and taste from lacto-forward beers.

    It sounds like your wife likes fruited sours and acetic-forward sours. Those flavors probably cover up the cheesiness of the lacto in those beers. The cleaner and more prominent the lacto profile in the beer (like in berliners and goses), the more noticeable those flavors can be.
     
    #29 Etan, Aug 14, 2013
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  10. Chelsea1905

    Chelsea1905 Initiate (0) Sep 3, 2008 Washington

    I have described the same notes in some wilds and Saisons. Last night I had a Logsdon Seizoen Bretta and really got this. Is she getting a bit of sourness beforehand? THe season I ask, is that I was at first and if she was then maybe that (due to the name of the beer i experienced this in) would double up on the Brett theory.
     
    #30 Chelsea1905, Aug 14, 2013
  11. fritts211

    fritts211 Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2011 Tennessee

     
    #31 fritts211, Aug 14, 2013
  12. Etan

    Etan Initiate (0) Jul 11, 2011 Wisconsin

    I guess the brett could influence it as well. You can sometimes get a musty or mild moldy aroma from brett, which are characteristics of some cheeses as well.
     
    #32 Etan, Aug 14, 2013
  13. evilcatfish

    evilcatfish Pooh-Bah (2,116) May 11, 2012 Missouri
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    I don't know about cheese but my Dad thinks they smell and taste like vomit...
     
    #33 evilcatfish, Aug 14, 2013
  14. Dupage25

    Dupage25 Savant (1,044) Jul 4, 2013 Antarctica

    If he has acid reflux disease it's because there literally is vomit in his throat.
     
    #34 Dupage25, Aug 14, 2013
  15. fritts211

    fritts211 Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2011 Tennessee

    Hey! My dad thinks that about every beer I give him! Maybe they shared a common ancestor and we're long lost relatives or something.
     
    #35 fritts211, Aug 14, 2013
  16. That1guymoe

    That1guymoe Initiate (0) Aug 14, 2013 California

    Everyone I've given any loon to try that wasnt already into sours has told me it tastes of sweat. I don't see it.
     
    #36 That1guymoe, Aug 14, 2013
  17. FantomeOpera

    FantomeOpera Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2013 California

    I gave you my beer, made your glass take wing
    And now how have you repaid me, denied me and betrayed me
     
    #37 FantomeOpera, Aug 14, 2013
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  18. evilcatfish

    evilcatfish Pooh-Bah (2,116) May 11, 2012 Missouri
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    Hmm. I always thought sweat was salty...
     
    #38 evilcatfish, Aug 14, 2013
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