Help with House Yeast

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  1. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    Looking for:

    English strain
    Top cropper
    Stone fruit ester
    Good clarity in finished beer

    Planning to use this strain for darker beers like Mild, ESB, Oatmeal Stout, Porter, Imperial Stout, etc.

    I really like what WY1968 did recently in my Oatmeal Stout, but it does not top crop.

    Any recommendations are much appreciated.
     
  2. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    Not sure about top croping but 1728 will do a good job for you. Good luck!
     
  3. wasatchback

    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    1469 is what you’re looking for... pretty much hits all the requirements

    Peachy
    Tons of krausen
    Clears very well, not as fast as 002
     
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  4. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    Have used this one a few times, didn’t get much character out of it.

    I fermented 65F & pitched at (estimated) 1M cells/ml/P.

    Perhaps next go round should pitch at lower rate and ferment a few degrees higher.
     
  5. wasatchback

    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    I would suggest much lower, probably half that. Ferment at 68
     
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  6. LuskusDelph

    LuskusDelph Initiate (0) May 1, 2008 New Jersey

    BRY-97 (and its Wyeast and White Labs equivalent) has long been my new favorite "house" yeast. It's great...and will survive through MANY generations of repitching (my record is currently 27 generations)
     
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  7. wasatchback

    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    I’ve also recently had some good luck with 1272 and the Imperial Version. More interesting than Chico and floccs better.
     
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  8. secondbase

    secondbase Initiate (0) Jun 3, 2015 Tennessee

    I really like 1968, it's a shame you need it to top-crop. I'd recommend 1318 over 1469 because it's a better all-purpose yeast. 1469 may shine a little brighter in certain styles, but I don't care for it in IPA or stouts.
     
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  9. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
    Pooh-Bah

    If you don't like 1469, maybe WY1318/Imperial Organic Juice?
    https://www.morebeer.com/products/a38-juice-imperial-organic-yeast.html

    Even though NEIPA seems to be its most common usage among homebrewers lately, I used this in the restricted variant of the Averagely Perfect series, and thought it made a nice porter
     
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  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I annually ferment a Bitter Ale with 1469 at 70 degrees F. That yeast is pleasantly expressive at that fermentation temperature.

    Cheers!
     
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  11. TooHopTooHandle

    TooHopTooHandle Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2016 New York

    I would recommend 1318 also. Can use it for quite a different styles and it top crops well. That yeast really turns into a fermenting machine when you get around 4 or 5 generations in. I was hitting terminal gravity on 1.065-1.075 beers in just under 48 hours lol. Obviously I let it ride out for 5 or so days after terminal to ensure clean up was performed. I ferment this yeast at 68 degrees.
     
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  12. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    @JackHorzempa , was characters did you get from 1469 at 70F?

    I need to try a few split batches with both of these yeasts (1469, 1318) fermented closer to 70F to coax more esters.

    What I’ve got from this thread so far is to try these strains a bit warmer and to pitch a lower count. Will try 0.5M cells/ml/P as well with these warmer ferment temps.
     
  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    An estery (fruity) flavor profile; flavors of stone fruits. Pretty notable flavor level.

    Cheers!
     
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  14. Yalc

    Yalc Zealot (501) Nov 5, 2011 Florida

    This is my favorite for milds and bitters.
     
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  15. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    As you said, Wyeast 1968/WLP002 is not really a top cropper. But I know that Fullers does re-use their yeast. They suck it out of the bottom of the conicals IIRC. Any particular reason you want/need to top crop? 1968 does meet your other criteria very well and IMO is excellent across all the English styles (and a lot of American ones too).
     
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  16. Jesse14

    Jesse14 Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2011 Massachusetts

    Might want to consider Nottingham. I've used it for porters, stouts, and IPAs and thought it was well suited for all of them.
     
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  17. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    WLP-023...much more character than 1968 and less diacetyl
     
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  18. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    Looking to start a brewery with a focus on open fermentation. Want to find 1-2 strains to indefinitely top crop for reuse and create some house character.

    I used to work in a brewery that was open fermentation. We used a number of croppable strains but never went beyond a few generations due to brewing so many different styles and lack of motivation by brewery owner to manage yeast extensively.

    But I would really like to have a taproom where guests are able to see open fermentors through glass windows as they drink the beer. Open fermentation is my favorite part of the brewing process. And it makes sense economically to reuse yeast.
     
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  19. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Sort of unrelated, but maybe not. The commentary on the 1469 and 1318 strains got me thinking... Are commercial breweries frequently altering fermentation profiles to coax different characteristics out of the same yeast? As a homebrewer, I haven't played around with varying fermentation in a systematic way, focusing more on ingredients and yeast strain varieties. In the dream where I become a commercial brewer, I run a small operation and manage only one yeast strain, and use amazing tricks like varying the temps, pitch rates, and oxygenation to dazzle the crowds at my tasting room with a diverse array of delicious beers, all fermented with one strain. Are there real examples?
     
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  20. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    FWIW, you might find these tidbits interesting about the “Ringwood System”.

    Ron Keefe of The Granite Brewery (Toronto, Ontario) in a 10 minute video HERE talks a bit about their open fermentation, which is modeled after what he called The Ringwood System (Ringwood Brewery of the New Forest in Hampshire, England).
    They use Wyeast 1187 Ringwood Ale yeast @ about 64.4° - 71.6° for all their beers except wheat beers. It’s supposedly a very aggressive/active yeast that reaches FG in 2.5 – 3 days. Wyeast says to "Expect distinct fruit esters with a malty, complex profile", but doesn't name which fruits are emulated.
    If brewing on Monday, they scoop yeast on Thursday and put it in the cooler where it goes into suspension.
    If brewing again on Tuesday, they’ll scoop from the actively fermenting beer and pitch it directly to the new batch.

    One week in primary then to the closed secondary cask for conditioning, where temp control is critical for the final beer and for personal safety due to the potential for buildup of excessive pressure.
     
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