Help with multiple regulators

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  1. saatana

    saatana Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2009 North Carolina

    I just purchased a keezer build that has a three tap setup. The CO2 tank has both a primary regulator and a secondary regulator. So far I have been unable to get the CO2 flowing without the pressure relief valve on the primary regulator blowing almost continuously. At first I thought that I had the primary regulator set incorrectly, but I have turned the knob to adjust the pressure on the primary regulator down as low as it can go and although that has helped somewhat it still blows the relief valve fairly steadily.

    I will note that when adjusting the pressure knob I have only used my fingers to loosen it so it may be possible that I need to use a wrench to turn the pressure down more?

    Any suggestions/help is greatly appreciated.

    Thanks
     
  2. DougC123

    DougC123 Savant (1,186) Aug 21, 2012 Connecticut

    If I'm reading this properly and we are talking about the same thing, you have two dials - one is the volume of gas in the tank, the other is the pressure you are distributing to the kegs. If everything is working properly, you open the tank valve all the way and then adjust your pressure with the knob by the gauges. The value you want is less than 15 pounds more than likely. What pressure is the gauge showing?
     
  3. saatana

    saatana Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2009 North Carolina

    The gauge steadily rises until it hits the limit of 60 psi and then the pressure relief valve opens and it drops, but then the process repeats itself.
     
  4. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Which direction are you turning the pressure knob? You know that clockwise (in) is higher pressure and that counterclockwise (out) is lower pressure, right?
     
  5. saatana

    saatana Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2009 North Carolina

    I have turned the pressure knob all the way counterclockwise that it will go.
     
  6. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,421) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    Never use a wrench to adjust the regulator. The big knobs are designed to be adjusted by hand. The primary regulator in the photo shows zero pressure, so it appears that the valve on the tank is closed. What happens when you open the valve with the regulator knob turned fully out? [sorry, that was a typo in my original reply]
    Does it steadily rise after you stop adjusting it? FYI, the pressure relief is typically 60 psi, so that's working correctly, as is the low pressure gauge. My money is on a bad regulator.
    There is no way for a pressure gauge to read the volume of gas in the tank. It shows only the pressure in the headspace. There is absolutely no correlation between pressure and volume. It can't even be inferred.
     
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  7. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    If that's the case, then I agree with mikehartigan. Bad regulator.
     
  8. saatana

    saatana Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2009 North Carolina

    I have a regulator on my nitrogen setup. Can I use that instead of the current regulator?
     
  9. zero_signal

    zero_signal Initiate (0) Aug 8, 2013 New Jersey

    As long as it has a female fitting and not the male nitrogen fitting
     
  10. IceAce

    IceAce Pooh-Bah (2,274) Jan 8, 2004 California
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    So let me guess...the pressure gauge slowly climbs to max pressure, then triggers the pressure relief valve? This is a typical symptom of membrane failure.

    Do you hear a 'hum' while the pressure builds?
     
  11. DougC123

    DougC123 Savant (1,186) Aug 21, 2012 Connecticut

    Typing faster than the brain, of course there isn't.

    X4 for bad regulator.
     
  12. saatana

    saatana Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2009 North Carolina

    Thanks for the help. A new regulator fixed the problem.
     
  13. ridglens

    ridglens Pundit (806) Jan 10, 2010 Indiana

    isn't the volume always the same? :wink:
     
  14. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    No. In a CO2 cylinder, the gas volume changes (increases) as the liquid volume decreases. It's the pressure of the gas (which is in the headspace), not the volume, which stays fairly constant.
     
  15. DougC123

    DougC123 Savant (1,186) Aug 21, 2012 Connecticut

    I think he was being facetious in that the volume of the tank doesn't change. What comprises the volume changes. Hence the wink.
     
  16. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Oh, I know he was being facetious. But since he was riffing off of a statement about "the volume of gas" (not "the volume of the tank"), I suspect he didn't know that the tank has more than gas in it. Thus, a teachable moment.
     
  17. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,421) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    It seems counter-intuitive that, as you remove gas from the tank, the volume of gas in the tank increases while the pressure remains constant.
     
  18. ridglens

    ridglens Pundit (806) Jan 10, 2010 Indiana

    Fair enough, liquid vs gas.... volume of Co2 is the same... i guess that's what i get for trying to make fluid dynamics cracks on the internet.
     
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