High Ferm Temp F'd my beer. Help.

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  1. antlerwrestler19

    antlerwrestler19 Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2010 Nebraska

    I brew at my parents' house with my pops. Their A/C went out and the house shot up to 80 for two days and my beer that was fermenting at the time (an imperial stout and dipa) rose right on up to that temp. and happened right in the middle of vigorous fermentation. I sampled the beer and it is packed full of diacetyl-esque characteristics - there is a crazy buttery flavor and a ton of green apple-like esters and it is overwhelming to say the least. This happened two weeks ago and I have been trying to let them sit on the yeast to see if they would eat some of it up but, to me, they are still intolerable as far as beer goes. I'm frustrated and would like some advice as this is my first time with this problem; is there anything I can do to save these beers? Pitch some active yeast into them? I'm about to dump all 10 gallons out but figured I'd check to see what others have done in the situation.

    Cheers,

    Kyle
     
  2. cmmcdonn

    cmmcdonn Initiate (0) Jun 21, 2009 Virginia

    Don't give up on it. Especially an imperial stout. If you don't like the taste put it in the back of the closet and forget about it. 6mo later try one again and if you still don't like it, back in it goes. The flavors may mellow a bit in the next few weeks so the DIPA may not be a lost cause either.
     
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  3. barfdiggs

    barfdiggs Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2011 California

    You could try krausening it... e.g. adding freshly fermenting wort+yeast to both fermenters. Acetaldehyde (Green Apple) and Diacetyl can be cleaned up a bit after fermentation is done, but if your beer is as over the top as you say it is, krausening may be your best bet to reduce the off flavors, and even then, it might not scrub them all.

    Bottle conditioning may scrub a little bit of them away as well, as will time...
     
  4. antlerwrestler19

    antlerwrestler19 Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2010 Nebraska

    Thanks for the responses guys, I was literally minutes away from dumping these batches and decided I'd post quick to gather some opinions. I'm brewing Sunday so I'll have some fermenting wort here perty soon to pitch into these batches...that's the plan at least. As far as krausening goes, I'll just be transferring some fermenting wort straight into the two trouble batches, but how much? I've never krausened before so some incite and guidelines would be great!
     
  5. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    I wouldn't use the fermenting wort unless they are the same type of beer. Make a starter from DME or your last runnings from the new beers, pitch yeast, and let it get to high krausen then dump it all in. Maybe 1-2L each.
     
  6. MLucky

    MLucky Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2010 California

    You could try blending it. Age the 'ruined' batch for 6-12 months, meanwhile brew a barleywine or something else that will age well and age that. A year from now, try blending them in different proportions and see how it is. You got nothing to lose, unless you just don't have the storage capacity.
     
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  7. commis

    commis Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2009 Massachusetts

    Off flavors from yeast are tough to get rid of when they are prominent like you describe. Put it away for a while like others have suggested, but be fully prepared for it to not get better. Mos likely if you feel it's bad now, it'll be just as bad in a year. If you're truly against wasting that much beer, I would do as Mlucky says, and blend small amounts into other beers. Personally, I'd just get rid of it and start over though.
     
  8. barfdiggs

    barfdiggs Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2011 California

    This is what I'd do, and have done in the past. 1-2L is a good amount, and not really enough to take over the flavors of your beer, especially if its DME + yeast. After krausening, give it some time to clean up as well, and it should at least bring the beer to the point of being drinkable.
     
  9. antlerwrestler19

    antlerwrestler19 Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2010 Nebraska

    I didn't even take into account that I'm brewing two belgians tomorrow - Don't really feel I should pitch belgian yeast into an imperial stout and dipa that both used basic ale yeast that was fitting for them. Looks like it will have to wait until later next week! So, do my regular 100 grams DME into 1000ml water but double the amount?
     
  10. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    Yep. Use 1056\001
     
  11. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    This is the first thing that sprang to my mind. I posted about a diacetyl issue a few weeks back with a pils. I made a fresh starter (only with ale yeast because that's what I could get), pitched it after the yeast got going. I kept it at moderate ale temps for ~2 weeks. Tasted it today. Diacetyl gone. Now I can lager.
     
  12. antlerwrestler19

    antlerwrestler19 Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2010 Nebraska

    Awesome, thanks for the help everyone! You all just helped rescue 10 gallons of beer (hopefully!). I'll be making two fresh starters and pitching them next week.

    Cheers!
     
  13. incutrav

    incutrav Initiate (0) Jan 16, 2007 Minnesota

    Not to rain on the parade, but i tried krausening a beer that was pretty heavy w/ diacetyl- Didnt make any difference. I let it sit in the keg for about 8 months before i finally just dumped it. Ive also had beers with light diacetyl that was detectable at about 5 weeks, and by the 10 week mark, it was gone. I dont have enough kegs to let one brew sit for to long, so Ive had to fully or partially dump 4 brews in the past couple years. Ive found sometimes its best to just cut your losses and brew more.
     
  14. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I was ready to do this as well, but for the price of DME and a packet of dry yeast, my fortunes changed. It is worth noting that there are bacteria that will produce diacetyl and will not clean up after themselves. However, I would suspect that this is not your problem if you are comfortable with your sanitation process and if you regularly brew beers that don't have this problem.
     
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