High temperatures in primary after FG has been reached

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  1. Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse

    Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse Zealot (744) Jul 20, 2016 Indiana

    Long story short: I brewed a beer last weekend and will be going out of town this weekend. Will turning off the AC for 4 days hurt my beer?

    The beer is a 1.050 saison with WLP585. Ambient temp in my house is likely to reach 90-95° peak, but the beer is in a bucket of water in a closed closet, which should smooth out the transition. Assuming I've reached FG by Saturday, would it be okay to let it get hot (in primary), given that White Labs recommends 68-74° for this yeast? I've kept the ambient water temp 60-65° during peak fermentation.

    I know some people purposely ramp up saisons into the 80s, but... What do you think?
     
  2. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    I think you will be totally fine.
     
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  3. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    At end of fermentation, it just doesn't matter. Let 'er rise and take care of packaging later when you get the time.
     
  4. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Pretty much.

    If most, or all, of your fermentation is finished you should be OK. It's obviously not ideal, but if that's your only option, I guess you'll have to just deal with it.

    BTW, if it has reached a decent terminal, you could just package it now.
     
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  5. Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse

    Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse Zealot (744) Jul 20, 2016 Indiana

    That would be my other option, but I've never bottled a beer after 5 days...

    Or I could not be a cheapskate and just leave the air on... But keeping the house cool costs a lot of money here!
     
  6. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Throw a tee-shirt on that sucka...and/or set the A/C on 90*F...unless the monsoon arrives early in AZ you are gold (even with things other than a Saison) :slight_smile:
     
  7. Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse

    Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse Zealot (744) Jul 20, 2016 Indiana

    It's actually going to be a little cooler this weekend (I'm sure you got the same heat wave last week in NV). The high is only going to be 108° instead of 120°.

    Thanks. I'll probably do both of those things, especially since electricity is cheaper on the weekends.
     
  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Given the timeframes mentioned (i.e., 4 days) my guess is that the beer might be OK at those higher temperatures.

    My principle concern here would be the potential for yeast autolysis:

    “Many causes may be cited for autolysis, not least simple old age. However, poor handling of yeast and beer will accelerate autolysis. Common examples are high temperatures, particularly above 25°C [77 degrees F],…”

    https://beerandbrewing.com/dictionary/DQXAk4DwuE/autolysis/

    FWIW I have had some bottle conditioned beers that were accidently exposed to high temperature (> 90 degrees F) and some of those bottles developed off-flavors afterwards which I think was a result of yeast autolysis.

    Cheers!
     
  9. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I would agree with that, and add that staling processes are also accelerated at higher temps.

    There's also something else that's accelerated by high post fermentation temps that I wouldn't necessarily associate with "staling" per se, but it can cause a solventy aroma. If anyone would like an easy demonstration of this, try leaving an ounce of beer in a growler in a hot car trunk for a week or so. Enjoy.
     
  10. Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse

    Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse Zealot (744) Jul 20, 2016 Indiana

    It would be 5 days in the primary on Friday night before I leave. What would you do if you were in my shoes? Bottle? Swamp cooler? Throw the whole carboy in the fridge? I don't have a temperature controller, so it would be below 45° in there.

    I know none of this is ideal, but what's done is done.
     
  11. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    With a moderate starting gravity like you had, I'd take a reading and see if I could bottle now.

    If not, the fridge is a pretty decent option. You can always take it back out to finish when you get back home.
     
  12. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    A ghetto swamp cooler in AZ (wet T-shirt) will buy you ~15*F without too much trouble
     
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  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    As Barry posted above a swamp cooler is a good option for you.

    If I knew for sure that all aspects of primary fermentation was complete (i.e., FG reached, not need for 'clean up' of primary fermentation byproducts,..) I would encourage you to package this beer but there is absolutely no way I can remotely determine this aspect.

    I think that the swamp cooler 'solution' is your best bet in this situation.

    Cheers!
     
  14. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Yes, it's been hot here also and I actually had to back off the full swamp cooler here a bit (no fan towards the end of fermentation)...but then I keep my house thermostat at 78*F.
     
  15. wasatchback

    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    Can't you just turn the AC up and not off
     
  16. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Do you pay your own power bill? :slight_smile:
     
  17. machalel

    machalel Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2012 Australia

    If you are worried, I'd recommend a simple swamp-cooler style setup. Over 4 days, post ferment, with a saison yeast... RAHAHB.
     
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  18. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Being in Arizona you should probably figure out a more stable way to ferment your beer such as a chest freezer or mini fridge with tenp controller. By far the best thing I have ever done to improve my process
     
  19. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    When faced with the same problem I moved my primary to neighbor's house for a week. Cost me a bottle of cheap red wine, but problem solved.
     
  20. kkleu357

    kkleu357 Savant (1,170) Apr 2, 2014 Wisconsin
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    I'd close all AC vents except for 1 room and leave the beer in there. Set the AC on like 80, which should keep that room cooler than that. I'd rather pay a few extra dollars in electricity than ruin my beer.
     
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