Hill Farmstead Everett Clone

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  1. HoppyKilaMonster

    HoppyKilaMonster Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Let me know when this is bottled, I would be happy to send you a bottle of HF Everett for a bottle or 2 of your Homebrew, to do a side by side comparison.
     
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  2. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    My thought was that the lactose, being not fully fermentable, helps achieve the 1.030+ finishing gravity. Plus, while I may be wrong, Hill Farmstead Everett simply tastes like it has a small lactose addition. A little milk in the coffee keeps it from being too roasty and bitter :slight_smile:
     
  3. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    RECIPE UPDATE 3: upped the caramel malt, roasted barley, and mash temp a bit, while dialing back the pale malt and ibu's slightly. also moved the hop addition from 60 min to 30 minutes. also adjusted my efficiency numbers to what they should be closer to for my normal brew day.

    11.25 gallon batch
    35# grain + 2# lactose addition
    74% brewhouse efficiency
    79% mash extraction efficiency (remove lactose from recipe formulation when calculating actual malt extraction)

    28# pale malt (75.7%)
    4# caramel 80 (10.8%)
    1# 12oz chocolate malt (4.7%)
    1# 4oz roasted barley (3.4%)
    2# lactose (5.2%)
    2oz columbus @ 30 minutes (26.5 ibu's)

    1.087 OG
    1.031 FG
    7.45 abv
    WLP002 English Ale Yeast (since I don't have fresh HF dregs)

    Mash around 155F
    90 minute boil

    RO water with salt additions that favor a malt forward flavor profile
     
  4. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    Brewed this one today and my numbers were a little different than the plan. Most by design, a few by circumstance. Here is what I ended up with....

    11.25 gallon batch
    38# grain + 1# lactose addition
    77% brewhouse efficiency
    79% mash extraction efficiency (remove lactose from recipe formulation when calculating actual malt extraction)

    28# pale malt (71.8%)
    2# chocolate malt (5.1%)
    2# roasted barley (5.1%)
    3# caramel 80 (7.7%)
    2# carapils (5.1%)
    1# caramel 120 (2.6%)
    1# lactose (2.6%)
    2.5oz columbus @ 20 minutes (28 ibu's)

    1.095 OG
    would have been 1.092 w/o the lactose, which still would have been 5 points above target. This is mainly due to my improved brewhouse efficiency today. But in part, it's due to the extra 2 pounds of grain I added to the recipe.

    I decided to add the lactose because I wanted to clearly compare my version of this beer (with lactose) to an actual bottle of HF Everett. Perhaps it was still the wrong idea and comparing my version without lactose to an actual bottle would have been a better way to go. But I added the lactose and now I should at least be able to clearly detect whether lactose is in the HF version or not. The cost of that decision is that if I don't believe lactose is in the HF version, I won't really be able to tell how close my base is to HF Everett now that I added lactose to my base. So again, probably not the best decision for a clone attempt but I'm sure my beer will be tasty regardless of whether it's an accurate clone attempt or not.

    Also, I planned on fermenting exclusively with WLP002 English but used 1 vial of WLP002 + 1 vial of WLP004 Irish instead. That's what I bought at the homebrew store by mistake and I just decided to roll with it. My guess is that the slightly higher attenuation rating of WLP004 will help get this beer down to the proper FG (1.031) in spite of the starting OG being 8 points too high. So if all goes according to plan on the cold side, the resulting clone attempt will be about 1% abv higher than the real deal.
     
  5. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    I love the "day after" look back at a brew day. In retrospect, my preliminary thoughts about yesterdays brew include:

    1. I set out to do a clone and ended up making the beer I wanted instead
    2. My grain profile is basically that of an Imperial Stout with extra caramel malt and a dash of lactose
    3. The "real deal" is probably more along the lines of:

    76.4% pale
    9.7% caramel 80
    5.6% carapils
    4.9% chocolate
    3.5% roasted barley
     
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  6. SteelersX

    SteelersX Savant (1,130) Jan 30, 2011 New York
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    I agree 110%
     
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  7. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    my clone attempt was:
    73% 2-row
    6.8% caramalt
    6.8% roasted barley
    5.4% dextrine
    5.4% chocolate malt
    2.7% english dark crystal
    Columbus @60mins to 38ibus. Mashed at 159F, OG was 1092, FG was 1029 with 2pkts nottingham. Not bad...haven't been able to try it against the real deal, but doesn't quite have the silky body of the real deal...tastes more like a Impy Stout than what I remember Everett tasting like. I could even up the hops too, with the sweetness getting a little too overwhelming after a pint. Maybe up hops to mid-40s.
     
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  8. nh2032

    nh2032 Savant (1,217) Oct 15, 2009 New York

    Appreciate all the info in this thread. I recently made a porter that was not really a clone attempt, but intended to be somewhat close. I ended up with this:

    65% 2-row
    9% C60
    9% Chocolate Malt
    7% Chocolate Wheat (left overs - probably would have been another crystal malt)
    3% Roasted Barley
    7% Extra Light DME (way undershot my pre-boil gravity)

    Mashed at 160 for 60 minutes. Bittered with Columbus at 30 and 15 minutes to 37 IBUs.

    I'll have to report back how this turns out without any lactose and still have an aged bottle of Everett that I can compare to.
     
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  9. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    Just took a gravity reading 52 hours after pitching (beer was at full krausen when I checked on it 18 hours after pitching) and I'm down from 1.095 OG to 1.035 SG so far. Hydrometer sample was sweet, silky, and didn't have much of a detectable roast character at this stage. Color looks pretty spot on (based on my memory of Everett) and I'm excited to see what becomes of this beer. Kind of nervous about my measly 28 ibu's trying to balance the sweetness out, but I'll have to let it ride!
     
  10. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    Actually, if the resulting beer is too sweet I can probably dry hop 1 keg with a small amount of columbus. If I give the dry hops prolonged contact time they will produce some perceived dryness which might help to take the edge off. I'll leave the other keg plain and drink it sweet of course.
     
  11. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    Gravity is down to 1.031 and a recent hydro sample tasted much better than the previous one.

    Still not a big roast character, but definitely a tasty malt presence now. I should probably also mention that I decided (at the last minute) to cold water extract the roasted barley that went into this batch. So I'm sure that is also factoring into the lack of a big roast character.

    I'll also mention that my actual mash schedule on brew day was 40 minutes @ 155F, then 20 minutes @ 160F

    I'll probably be kegging this one next week and will post again after I try it in mid-October.
     
  12. jcojr72

    jcojr72 Initiate (0) Mar 31, 2009 Massachusetts

    Are you drinking this yet? If so, how did it turn out?
     
  13. ultravista

    ultravista Initiate (0) Dec 11, 2010 Nevada

    This month's issue of BYO has Hill Farmstead Brewery’s Everett clone.

    Vermont Cult Cones: Hill Farmstead Brewery, The Alchemist and Lawson’s Finest Liquids have made the rural hills of Vermont a destination for craft beer enthusiasts from around the world. Plus 6 clone recipes for these hard to find beers. By Dave Green
     
  14. primrose54

    primrose54 Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2009 Ohio

    Has anyone had double sunshine, and have seen the recipe in BYO? Does this look like it could possibly be the clone? (I haven't had double sunshine)
     
  15. Drucifer

    Drucifer Initiate (0) Apr 16, 2012 Illinois


    Can you post the recipe or the link?
     
  16. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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  17. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Man, the recipie for everett looks like a complicated bastard compared to what I was expecting to see. I'm gonna brew toast instead. :grinning:
     
  18. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    Kegged but conditioning still.....
     
  19. antlerwrestler19

    antlerwrestler19 Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2010 Nebraska

    Any update?
     
  20. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    Haven't done a side by side comparison with Everett yet, but plan on doing one soon. Will report in more detail after I don.

    I know I made three distinct mistakes on my clone that will already separate the two.

    1. Mistakenly bought 1 vial of wlp002 and 1 vial of wlp004 instead of 2x wlp002. The irish ale fruitiness comes through and isn't correct.

    2. Fermented a bit on the warm side, producing a touch of unwanted alcohol presence

    3. Overshot my starting gravity and ended up with an 8.4% beer instead of a 7.3% beer
     
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