Hill Farmstead Everett Clone

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  1. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    A shot of 2 of the 3 fermenters.......

    Fermenting away happily today!

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  2. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    Taking inspiration from a beer a love (Jackie O's Oil of Aphrodite) my experimental addition to that 3 gallons will be a homemade tincture using these....


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  3. jcojr72

    jcojr72 Initiate (0) Mar 31, 2009 Massachusetts

    Looks good. Keep us posted.

    Had a similar experience brewing today...it was 25 degrees!! My deck was a skating rink by the time I was done.
     
  4. skivtjerry

    skivtjerry Pooh-Bah (1,865) Mar 10, 2006 Vermont
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  5. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    Yeah I had my suspicions about lactose and used it in my previous batch. Still not sure one way or another though. I have a feeling there is some mystery ingredient in there that is either not on the label or carefully hidden in the vague generality with which the label is worded. For example, the label says "roasted malts" so most of us assume roasted barley. But chocolate malt is a roasted malt. So who is to say that roasted barley is even in there? That aside, I've kicked around some other "mystery ingredient" ideas in my mind including: actual coffee, actual chocolate, lactose, oats, and/or chocolate rye malt.
     
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  6. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    Roasted barley isn't a malt, so I would assume that it isn't in there.
     
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  7. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    And knowing what a chocolate bomb the actual beer is, I'm ready to completely nix the roast barley (I almost did this go around but had a tiny amount of it in inventory so I kicked it in more to get rid of it than anything else) and make 75% pale malt, 15% caramel malts, 10% chocolate malts my target grain bill next time.
     
  8. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    While it surprises me too that there is no lactose in Everett, Shaun would Have to admit he uses lactose in the beer considering people's allergies. I don't get oats either...I really do think that ingredient list is complete. I think it is special handling of the various roasted grain and cara malts.'
     
  9. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    Like a cold water extraction and late addition of the cap into the boil? Or like a late addition of them as grist into the mash? Neither would affect the mouthfeel though and it's the mouthfeel that makes me wonder about the lactose and/or oats possibility. More so lactose because of the creaminess than oats which would produce a smoothness. Others may assume lactose because of the under attenuation / high final gravity, but I think the grain bill and high mash temp makes that feasible without lactose. That aside, I tried cold water extraction and late addition of the cap into the boil kettle on my first go around (when I used even more roast malt) and found the resulting beer to not be as roasty / have as much bite as the real deal.
     
  10. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    Well I kegged 10g of my beer today. 5g is being force carbonated and 5g keg primed with 147g of DME, which should hopefully bring it to about 2.3 volumes of CO2.

    Since my OG was 2 point short (1.085 instead of 1.087) I was hoping my FG would be 2 points short (1.029 instead of 1.031) but I ran 5 points short hitting a FG of 1.024 giving me an 8.1% abv and 70% apparent attenuation. I think me spending the first 15 minutes of the mash at 150F and ramping up to 158F played a big role in that. Beer smelled and tasted very good though.

    The other 3g got racked into a 3g carboy (co2 flushed first) on top of an 8" medium plus toasted american oak spiral that was boiled in water for 10 minutes, dried, and soaked in Sailor Jerry rum for a week first. I plan on letting the beer oak for 4 weeks while my toasted black walnuts / vanilla beans are extracting in Sailor Jerry rum. The extract will then be added to the 3g keg just prior to kegging the oaked beer.

    I should be drinking the force carbonated keg by NYE, the DME keg primed keg by late January, and the oaked walnut vanilla rum keg by mid February. I'll update the thread with tasting notes when they are available.

    If anybody has a fresh bottle of Everett they can donate or trade me so that I can do a side by side, it would be greatly appreciated.
     
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  11. Seany

    Seany Zealot (595) Sep 27, 2005 Canada (QC)

    Great thread and would like to try a clone of this myself. Several years ago, I was sitting at the bar in the now defunct "Shed Brewery" in Stowe. They had just tapped an Imperial Porter. I obviously ordered one. While I was sipping on it, the brewer came out and sat at the bar beside me. Having just started homebrewing myself, I was interested in his thoughts on the differences between Stout and Porter. The main difference, in his opinion, was porter did not contain roasted barley. That brewer was Shaun, for whatever it's worth.
     
  12. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    Lol just re-read the first post in this thread where I documented the ingredient list from the label and roasted barley is included!
     
  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I just re-read it myself:

    “From the label we know the following:

    This Porter is crafted from American malted barley,
    English and German roasted malts,
    American hops,
    our ale yeast,
    and water from our well.
    It is unfiltered and naturally carbonated.

    Ingredients: Pale, Caramel, and Chocolate Malt, Roasted Barley, Columbus hops; Ale Yeast, and our Well Water.

    21º P
    7.5% ALC/VOL”

    Cheers!
     
  14. skivtjerry

    skivtjerry Pooh-Bah (1,865) Mar 10, 2006 Vermont
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    I was told there will be no bottled Everett this year... not exactly sure what 'this year' means so maybe some will show up in early 2015.
     
  15. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    Did you crush the grains as normal? I used a burr grinder in coarse setting...basically treating them like cold-extracted coffee. I added that cold extraction into the whirlpool so that it doesn't get boiled to keep the volatiles in. Can't imagine Shaun actually goes through all that trouble I did, but it made a pretty damn good beer...with plenty of roasted character.
     
  16. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    I used a normal monster mill and added to the boil kettle in the last 15 minutes of the boil. While the idea of getting more aroma out of malt by whirlpooling with it (a la whirlpool hop addition) is interesting, it would lower the overall roast character and, when I did my cold water extraction, I found the resulting beer had less roast character than the real deal. Could have been that I just wasn't using enough roast malt to begin with though. I also agree that a commercial brewery would probably not be doing this though.
     
  17. Twocentpiece

    Twocentpiece Initiate (0) Apr 5, 2015 Massachusetts

    I had Everett a while ago and damn it was great! Just starting in homebrewing and would LOVE to get close to it. Following this like a hawk from now on :-)

    hmmm, from what I read about Shaun Hill is that he is totally uncompromising when it comes to his beer. If something takes a lot of effort to get the beer to taste the way it should he would definitely do it, even if that means lengthening his brew day.

    Has anyone got an email response regarding lactose? I would imagine they have an obligation to inform lactose intolerant beer drinkers if it is 'safe'?
     
  18. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Ingredients: Pale, Caramel, and Chocolate Malt, Roasted Barley, Columbus hops; Ale Yeast, and our Well Water.

    Do you see lactose listed as an ingredient? No you don't.

    This HF beer and the fanfare associated with it cracks me up more than most HF beers. I've had it and can't help but wonder why people think it's some kind of clandestine ale made by a brewing savant. It's a basic double porter made with common ingredients. It's a good beer. Is it two tiers above everything else? No.
     
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  19. Catphish

    Catphish Initiate (0) Jul 18, 2013 Colorado

    I agree and think Everett is by far the best porter I've had. It's thick, creamy and balanced. I brewed the clone recipe from BYO with my own adjustments and it scored very well with the judges but something was missing IMO. I think the secret to this is a long boil which gives it it's viscous feel. Shaun is very into balance so that's the tough part. I'm thinking this beer is probably boiled 2+ hours..
     
  20. Catphish

    Catphish Initiate (0) Jul 18, 2013 Colorado

    Ha it's ok that you feel that way but people are just trying to clone a beer they love. No reason to upset with that.
     
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