Hill Farmstead hype

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  1. imbibehour

    imbibehour Poo-Bah (6,277) Mar 18, 2008 Maryland
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    so we can have answer to this mundane question and all just move along...... instead of wanting self validation and attention...
  2. FatBoyGotSwagger

    FatBoyGotSwagger Meyvn (1,016) Apr 4, 2009 Pennsylvania

    yeh i can call out hype all day but if the beer is good then it is good, nah mean?
  3. imbibehour

    imbibehour Poo-Bah (6,277) Mar 18, 2008 Maryland
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    I wish I had a dog that could hunt Evo beers and sniff them out... :wink:
  4. FatBoyGotSwagger

    FatBoyGotSwagger Meyvn (1,016) Apr 4, 2009 Pennsylvania

    She would eat a budweiser 6 pack, cardboard feind.
  5. HokiesandBeer

    HokiesandBeer Initiate (0) Jan 10, 2013 Pennsylvania
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    Sounds like some west coast bs from the op
  6. jaIsPoAn

    jaIsPoAn Initiate (0) Aug 1, 2012 New York

    You love to call everyone out uh Mr now it all?
  7. eawolff99

    eawolff99 Savant (950) May 10, 2010 Minnesota
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    Oh yeah really, so what did you trade for it? I'm sure I'd enjoy a BA Saison too....but really?? I've had juicy it was a yawn and I'm a ticker so I want to try Ann, but when I've had most HF brews I just no longer care...I wouldn't trade a 4pk of fresh Abrasive for Ann...seriously, who cares about wine barrel ages saisons???
  8. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Crusader (719) Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    You're quoting a 3 month old post that has been mega-merged with yet another stupid "Hill Farmstead is overrated!" post. I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say here.
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  9. Horbar

    Horbar Zealot (560) Feb 24, 2012 Rhode Island

    Oh yea, your taste buds are whack!!
    I would never,ever, ever trade my Hill Farmstead. It would be like trading platinum for bronze. I drive 11 hours round trip for it, and I'll be damned if I'm gonna trade it. Shaun Hill truly is a brewing genius.
  10. lucas1801

    lucas1801 Initiate (0) Apr 5, 2012 Massachusetts

    And you rated it a 4.5 yawn...
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  11. beerwolf

    beerwolf Initiate (23) Feb 23, 2012 Washington

    So I guess that pretty much settles it: Hill Farmstead cannot be over-hyped.
  12. AxesandAnchors

    AxesandAnchors Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2012 Oregon

    Hill Farmstead is the MOST overrated brewery on the planet!

    ISO: Every Hill Farmstead Beer known to man

    These threads are so lame.
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  13. YogiBeer

    YogiBeer Initiate (0) May 10, 2012 Illinois

    Well, I've never had anything from HF, so I feel completely qualified to respond to this thread. Definitely over rated. Please stop making people happy!
  14. Huhzubendah

    Huhzubendah Poo-Bah (4,811) Oct 29, 2007 District of Columbia
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    Best brewery in America. Not even close. Motion to close...
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  15. hagbergl

    hagbergl Devotee (405) Aug 27, 2009 Maryland

    Hill Farmstead is getting the attention it does for a reason. For a little operation like theirs, it's extraordinary what they're doing. I know some think that the rarity is what drives the "hype", but I'm telling you–as someone who has gone to the brewery and had their beers on multiple occasions at multiple venues, it's not the scarcity that makes Hill Farmstead one of the best in the country, it's the quality! Shaun Hill and the guys are true craftsmen.
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  16. Rochefort10nh

    Rochefort10nh Champion (864) Sep 30, 2005 New Hampshire
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    Ok. I can't believe I'm taking the bait here but here goes.

    This whole thread is such a crock of shit it isn't even funny and this post might be one of the most condescending, idiotic, puerile and narcissistic I've seen on this site.

    You do know that New Hampshire is a small state that shares a border with Massachusetts, one of the states with the best beer selections in the country, don't you? The same state that holds the Extreme Beer Fest, Belgian Beer Fest and American Beer Fest and is home to a certain website that advocates for beer. You do know that people from New Hampshire can also trade with people in other states for many outstanding beers not found in Mass. Vermont, Maine and the Granite state? You also know that people in NH can travel and try beers on those travels from all around the country, right?

    I will guarantee that I've had more beers in more styles from around the country than you have (if your profile is correct I'm 11 years older than you and have been at this (drinking and searching out better beer) since I was 22, so it's simple math). I love big bold beers. I love subtle well crafted beers. So what does that matter? Does that make my palate superior to yours? Do I feel obligated to tell you that you're an idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to Hill Farmstead? No! That is your opinion. But I'll never understand why people have to start these idiotic threads. You don't like beers from a certain brewery that many, many others enjoy. Ok that's your palate. You are entitiled to have your own taste! But why on earth must you extrapolate and then denigrate the palates of a whole host of other beer lovers who feel that HF is crafting fantastic beers in many styles. Why do you feel the need to tell others, many of whom are well respected in the beer world that they are wrong! Do you truly feel that you've earned the right to look down upon these poor pitiful souls with faulty taste buds?

    There are plenty of beers and breweries around the country (and the world for that matter) that I don't feel as passionately as others about, but I have zero need to post a thread about it. Nor do I feel that others who like these products are inferior to me.

    Hill Farmstead has 10 beers in the current top 250 and eight of the top 100 on the best new beers list. The other website just named them top brewery in the world. When I travel up to Greensboro Bend there isn't a time I don't see multiple cars from out of state in the parking lot. For their fests people are traveling from all over the country to attend. These are not locals overrating their beers. These are passionate beer lovers who are willing to go well out of their ways to obtain these beers. There are also many respected people within the beer world willing to collaborate with HF, both in this country and out, to produce beers that they know will be of the highest quality because of the skill of the brewers from the Northeast Kingdom. Just because you aren't impressed with their beers doesn't make all these people wrong!
  17. DRBiser

    DRBiser Disciple (395) May 4, 2012 Maryland

    How did the hipster burn his tongue?

    He drank his coffee before it was cool
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  18. EnronCFO

    EnronCFO Zealot (502) Mar 29, 2007 Massachusetts
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    Agree with you on their dark beers, none of it is mindblowing and carbonation has been an issue. I actually think that Susan is a mediocre IPA and has no body. But, Ephraim and Abner are incredible and Double Galaxy is the best beer I've ever had.
  19. mkabull

    mkabull Disciple (385) Nov 2, 2007 Massachusetts
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    Very well stated.
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  20. Beerandboards

    Beerandboards Devotee (462) Nov 6, 2012 New Mexico
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    There are people who decide they're going to love HF because of the hype
    There are people who decide they're going to hate HF because of the hype

    I would say the two largely even each other out.

    I was lucky enough to randomly be in Waterbury for a wedding. Stopped at the Prohibition Pig and had the opportunity to try several tasting pours of HF beers, as well as Lawson's and Heady Topper.

    Side by side, Ephraim was a clear notch or two above Heady Topper (and I frickin love Heady Topper). Just saying.

    Haters gonna hate, hypers gonna hype, etc etc etc.
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  21. duchessedubourg

    duchessedubourg Aspirant (237) Nov 2, 2007 Vermont
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    I must be one of the only people on this site who appreciates HFB's beers for themselves and what was put into the process. Don't feel like comparing them to other beers, rating it, commoditizing it, or arguing about it. I just want to drink each one with a curious and open mind, share it with others who won't get wacko over it, and relish the experience until the next one comes along to start the fun process over again. That's all I need - bizarre, eh? These threads freak me out somewhat, but I'm pretty rational so will read them for entertainment value - sorta on the order of soap operas for beer. :confused:
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  22. TheBigEast

    TheBigEast Initiate (0) Oct 21, 2004 New York
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    A friend of mine recently went to HF and very kindly brought me back 6 beers: Abner, Double Galaxy, Mary, Edward, Susan and Fear & Trembling in 750ml Growlers. I sent him a couple texts below with my impressions. I have no skin in this game and have not read through this entire thread. So I don't know what direction it has taken. Hopefully, my thoughts will add to the discussion:

    Had my 2nd to last HF beer - Mary - solid but not close to a Prima Pils. My friend Pete and I tried 4 others (Fear & Trembling left) during the game the other night. We really enjoyed the Abner - understand why it's considered their flagship - a special beer although Pete felt the Sucks he had the other night was just as good - Sucks don't suck! The other 3 we felt were all good to very good beers but did not IOHO live up to their very high ratings. I think the hype train may very well be leading to higher ratings than the beers deserve. It would be interesting to see how they would do in a blind tasting. So we very much enjoyed the experience but we do not have to feel like we are missing much by not be able to drink their beers on a regular basis. There are plenty of competitive beers as good or better than the HF beers in each of their respective categories. For example, a fresh Double Jack is superb and I can get that right down the street. Of course, they've made over 60 beers so I'd be interested in trying a bunch of others to see if they can come close to living up to their Ratebeer #1 brewery rating. I'd take Firestone Walker easily over HF right now.

    I noticed there is a thread on BA titled HF hype - I'm sure that would be an interesting read. When I've read similar threads, typically when people challenge the status quo, they are called trolls etc and sometimes that's the case. And they usually are attacked and people think if they have not agreed with the common perception that the brewery is amazing and they can do no wrong, that they are putting down the brewery and essentially saying it sucks. Of course in my case, I merely reported the experience we had drinking the beers. And that experience was very good, just not the wow experience one would have expected.

    Abner provided it and I really liked the drinkability of Edward. But in total the beers did not live up to the scores on BA in our opinion. Of course, others would disagree and personally, I'm always happy when a person likes a beer more than me - I'm glad they really enjoyed it. The total beers we tried only represents 10% of the total beers they have ever made. So it's possible that with more experience with their beers, Pete and I might change our minds and agree that the hype is justified. And you know I'm open to that!

    Some other factors involved are the types of beers we drank - mostly of similar styles - and where you drink a beer and the situation in which you drink it can have an effect on your opinion. If you're mainly an IPA guy, one might have a different opinion. And drinking these beers in a pub in beautiful Vermont with good friends can alter ones views. And I wonder if those factors have influenced their scores. I mention those in general, not saying they have had an impact on our personal experiences. That's why I think a blind tasting sometime would be interesting. They often end up with surprising results. Cheers!
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  23. Blanco

    Blanco Devotee (458) Oct 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    You sent all that as texts to a friend?
  24. TheBigEast

    TheBigEast Initiate (0) Oct 21, 2004 New York
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    Blanco - it was a stream of consciousness - and yes a bit long :slight_smile:
  25. mendonjoebeer

    mendonjoebeer Aspirant (261) Nov 9, 2010 New York

    Yes he did! My wife got a chuckle from it. I do not agree with many of his thoughts, but I do respect his opinion(at least on beer related issues!). Bob and I need to get together and discuss this over some beer this week. He must have been focusing on the SU basketball game instead of the HF beer.
  26. TheBigEast

    TheBigEast Initiate (0) Oct 21, 2004 New York
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    I've never sent a text that long so Joe was the happy recipient of it :slight_smile: He may be right about focusing more on the beer - watching SU get beat by UConn probably did not make me feel better about the beer!
  27. oldp0rt

    oldp0rt Initiate (0) Feb 24, 2011 Quebec (Canada)

    Yeah, the place is overrated! Don't bother with it and let me buy all the Anniversary tickets.
  28. BeerCosmonaut

    BeerCosmonaut Initiate (0) Dec 13, 2010 Vermont

    About the only thing that's overrated about HF is the trade value. Is it worth trading $250 worth of beer to land Ann? Not unless you have a ridiculous amount of expendable money or you're addicted to ticking. It's a small amount of beer in an unpopulated area and most of the people buying it are going to have to make a trek to get it. If you trade the beer you're most likely making a lateral move and now you have to pay for shipping, so what's the point? This means there's not a whole lot of it that even gets traded

    It's beer. You're not supposed to have a mind blowing experience with every beer you have. It sucks that it gets worked up to that kind of expectation in people's minds because it's so hard for people to acquire, but I know the beer is so good that every time I try a new HF brew I get excited and that doesn't happen with many breweries. Hill Farmstead is a top tier, great brewery - not just fair, good, or okay

    If you're tasting Susan as soapy and flavorless then I think there are better explanations like unclean (soap residue) growlers or glasses and a growler that's been sitting around. Or you had a cold and were eating soap beforehand. Yup, BoT is flat
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  29. duchessedubourg

    duchessedubourg Aspirant (237) Nov 2, 2007 Vermont
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    Shaun delayed release of B of T as long as he could because it was being slow to carbonate. He said he was concerned that it would be low, and maybe not up to consumers' usual expectations of quality. But, he decided to release it knowing it was still a great beer. I had a very uncarbonated but thoroughly delicious pour of Marshall Zhukov at the the HFB tap takeover at Pro-Pig, and everyone, including HFB staff present, decided it had more carbonation that that, with nothing missing. He decided to take a risk on it, but a Tomme Arthur he will never be.
  30. gibby

    gibby Initiate (0) Jul 25, 2008 Pennsylvania

    I thought Ephraim and Abner were outstanding and a couple of the best DIPA's I have ever tried. Citra IPA and Harlan were well above average for sure. I am still chasing down the double galaxy so hopefully I try it some day soon. I have never really had a complaint about any of their beers and I don't think they are over hyped at all. I can certainly think of a few that are over hyped though.
  31. tehzachatak

    tehzachatak Initiate (0) Sep 19, 2010 Massachusetts

    Made it up for the first time on Saturday, spent entirely too much money and time, and was well worth it. I'll be making the trip again soon. Double Galaxy is in my top favorite 2 single hop beers ever, and probably my favorite DIPA ever. It crushes beers that I thought were amazing. Has seriously redefined the DIPA for me. Edward is glorious - given the vast number of pales I have drank, I always love having a new one with no gimmicks or secret ingredients that nevertheless kicks ass.

    And the saisons.......... Man. Keep up the good work, guys. Feel bad for Phil and the folks who were doing the growler line on Saturday! It was crazy.
  32. starrdogg

    starrdogg Champion (825) Jun 21, 2010 District of Columbia
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    Hill Farmstead makes the best hoppy beers in the world (Abner, Ephraim, Society & Solitude 4 & 5, Double Galaxy, etc.). They also make some of the best saisons (Civil Disobedience #1, Juicy, E., Flora) and porters (Everett, Twilight of the Idols) in the world. Admittedly, some of their barrel-aged stuff has disappointed me somewhat (Birth of Tragedy, Genealogy of Morals), but they were still damn good beers.

    There just isn't another brewery out there that's so damn consistent across several different styles like HF. They are the best brewery in the US and I really can't even think of a close second. I've made the 10 hour drive from DC 3 times already and I can't wait to do it again in the near future. Absolutely worth it.
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  33. MasterSki

    MasterSki Site Editor (6,451) Dec 25, 2006 Ontario (Canada)
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    I think Shaun would be the first to admit that the initial round of dark beers had carbonation issues. That being said, 2012 Birth of Tragedy was a significant improvement over 2011, and I know there have been steps taken to improve consistency in carbonation with the upcoming releases.

    For me Susan was definitely on the lower end of Hill Farmstead IPAs, but I've had to adjust my scale as even the worst beers from HF are highly enjoyable compared to virtually everything else out there. I think perhaps the most impressive thing is that there are a lot of different 'favorite' HF beers in this thread - my personal faves are S&S5 and Walden.
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  34. Brad007

    Brad007 Poo-Bah (3,370) Mar 28, 2007 Vermont

    I loved the Dorothy saison mainly due to the use of rye.
  35. BearsOnAcid

    BearsOnAcid Savant (957) Mar 17, 2009 Washington
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    I agree about Susan. Not sure what the hype is about that since I think its still very good but at the lower end of what I have liked from HF as far as hoppy beers go. Harlan is still the best regular IPA from them, IMO.
  36. cincysig

    cincysig Aspirant (290) Sep 15, 2010 Connecticut
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    On a recent trip to Vermont, I had some HF brews. The Abner I had in Waterbury stood toe-to-toe with Heady Topper as a first-class DIPA. Edward, Double Galaxy and Susan were also quite good to spectacular.

    Hill Farmstead is legit. Drink some if you're able.
  37. GP012

    GP012 Initiate (152) Mar 22, 2011 New Hampshire
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    How quickly are they slammed on release days? I'm considering a trip up next Wednesday for the Saison release, but curious if I need to arrive a few hours early.

    I'm hoping I can jet over to Alchemist and grab some Heady Topper while I'm up there. I noticed they now can on Mon/Wed instead of Mon/Thurs.
  38. Gosox8787

    Gosox8787 Meyvn (1,048) Jan 24, 2009 New Hampshire

    I keep changing my opinion on Susan. I have had it three times over the last two months or so.

    The first time I had it I thought it was a good but not nowhere near my favorite from them. The second time I thought it was one of my favorite single IPA's they have ever brewed and I actually preferred it to the Galaxy in the taster there. The third time I had it, I went back to thinking it was good and not great.

    Obviously it could just be my palate, but maybe there was some batch variation or freshness was really important?

    Harlan was good, but if I had to pick a single hop IPA from them, it is Riwaka. That was an awesome beer.
  39. StylzMC

    StylzMC Initiate (0) Dec 15, 2012 Yukon (Canada)

    Hey everyone, let's give the kid seeking attention some of our attention! Dude is on his high horse about west coast beers and thought it'd be fun to bash people who like HF even though he's rated their beers pretty high. Nothing new to see here.
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