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Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by roadk01, Jan 11, 2016.

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  1. roadk01

    roadk01 Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2015 Michigan

    Ok these are probably dumb questions and the experienced brewers are probably sick of hearing them but I've read sooo many variations on these from the web I was hoping to get some clarification.

    1) Is siphoning the trub over to the primary a bad practice?
    2) Can your primary carboy be aerated by shaking while in the fermentation phase in order to promote yeast activity?
    3) After chilling your wort and before siphoning or pouring into the primary vessel should you stir the wort up?

    Thanks again for adding me to the group!!
     
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  2. papat444

    papat444 Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,961) Dec 28, 2006 Canada (QC)
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    Welcome to BA! I don't homebrew but if you post your questions here, someone will definitely be able to help you:

    http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/forums/homebrewing.8/
     
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  3. roadk01

    roadk01 Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2015 Michigan

    Ok these are probably dumb questions and the experienced brewers are probably sick of hearing them but I've read sooo many variations on these from the web I was hoping to get some clarification.

    1) Is siphoning the trub over to the primary a bad practice?
    2) Can your primary carboy be aerated by shaking while in the fermentation phase in order to promote yeast activity?
    3) After chilling your wort and before siphoning or pouring into the primary vessel should you stir the wort up?
     
  4. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    1. It's not the worst. It isn't the best. It's a good practice to minimize the trub, especially if you intend to primary for longer than 2 weeks.

    2. Avoid aerating the beer beyond 12 hours after pitching.

    3. No, unless you want more trub in the beer. See #1.
     
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  5. roadk01

    roadk01 Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2015 Michigan

    Thanks for the reply! So would racking to a secondary after 10 days then leaving in the secondary for 2 weeks and bottle condition for 2 weeks is a good idea at this point?
     
  6. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Generally, it's best to skip the secondary unless you have a really good reason to use a secondary. Sitting on the trub for an extra week isn't a really good reason.

    You can bottle when the gravity is stable and near the expected final gravity. For example, let's say your beer is supposed to finish at 1.012. You sample the gravity after 10 days and the result is 1.014. You measured gravity three days later and it was the same. Then you bottle. No secondary needed. Most 5-7% beers should be ready to bottle within two weeks. If not, something wasn't proper with the yeast or fermentation temperature.

    Even if you have all the trub from the kettle in the primary, don't worry about it this time and don't obsess about minimizing it in the future, but maximizing the amount of trub in the fermentor isn't going to improve your beer.

    Dump all the trub in the primary if that is the most convenient way to make beer at the moment. The more trub you have in the primary, the less time you can occupy the primary before a penalty. I should have said longer than three weeks in my first post (item #1).

    This probably contradicts purchased instructions if you are brewing from a kit. The kits don't have a perfect game plan in terms of instructions.
     
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  7. roadk01

    roadk01 Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2015 Michigan

    Thanks again!! I will do just that IF I can get fermentation to begin. I used a wort chiller and pitched a 1L starter in 72 degree wort at approx. 8pm yesterday and it's been sitting in my basement at a constant 66 degrees but I haven't seen any evidence of yeast activity so far. :slight_frown:
     
  8. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    By evidence do you mean airlock activity? If a bucket lid or a carboy stopper isn't airtight, sometimes you won't see bubbles in the airlock even though fermentation is happening.
     
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  9. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    The yeast WILL make beer unless you killed them before pitching. Be patient. Beer happens.
     
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  10. roadk01

    roadk01 Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2015 Michigan

    Well I don't see any bubbling activity within the carboy, I believe the plug is airtight. Brew Betty is probably right I need to be more patient.
     
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  11. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Since you are using a carboy you'll start to see small bubbles collecting on the surface of the beer. These bubbles should continue to accumulate and get bigger to produce a brownish krausen that will cover the top of the beer, and can rise into your airlock if you are brewing a high alcohol beer if your head space is inadequate. When the krausen begins to die down the fermentation is doing the same thing.

    Those are very good answers above for your questions, but a procedural note regarding your question #3 -- after chilling your wort, pour it through a sanitized strainer that is sitting in a large funnel on top of your carboy. (Another set of hands is advisable here to stabilize the funnel while pouring.) Stop pouring when the strainer gets too clogged and use a sanitized spoon to scoop and clear the strainer. Keep pouring and repeating this process until you get down to the thicker trub in the bottom of the pot. Send the rest of it down the garbage disposal, add to your compost pile, etc. The pouring and straining process has always been enough aeration for my beers, and a warning: it's a hazardous process to risk breaking a carboy by rocking it to aerate.

    P.S. Welcome from another Michigander to the BA site and to the Homebrewing forum. Where in Michigan do you live? I'm in Battle Creek.
     
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  12. roadk01

    roadk01 Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2015 Michigan

    Thanks for the adivse MG3!! I'm ordering a strainer and funnel tonight! I'm over near Grand Blanc just south of Flint. Where are you at? Nevermind I see Battle Creek. Thanks for the greeting and advise, everyone on here has been extremely helpful and it is greatly appreciated.
     
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  13. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    One other thing regarding using a funnel and strainer in the carboy -- if your funnel fits fairly tight against the side of the carboy's opening, you'll need to put something in the opening with the funnel to create some space for the displaced air in the carboy to escape around the funnel. This is why I mentioned above that an extra pair of hands becomes essential because the funnel and strainer are precariously balanced on the carboy and the force of pouring the wort into the funnel will tip the funnel over. (I use a sanitized serving spoon that is large enough so it doesn't fall into the carboy.) Without this air channel you'll have the wort trying to back up in the funnel and jamming things up when the displaced air tries to come upward through the funnel.
     
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  14. roadk01

    roadk01 Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2015 Michigan

    Thanks for the heads up! I'll engage my wife to assist with the pouring :slight_smile:
     
  15. roadk01

    roadk01 Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2015 Michigan

    Well I must have killed the yeast somehow because it's been 36 hours and still no sign of fermentation, no bubbling in the carboy....uggh. Any suggestions as to what I can do to save this batch or should I just start over?
     
  16. drinkybanjo

    drinkybanjo Crusader (457) Sep 4, 2008 New Jersey

    You might want to share a picture of your carboy so the smart folks here can look for evidence of fermentation that you might not be able to recognize.
     
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  17. roadk01

    roadk01 Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2015 Michigan

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-yaFc_1tcA1NllxOWJ2OGpCTlk/view?usp=sharing


    This is it. The number of bubbles hasn't changed at all since I transferred the wort to the primary. It's been 37 hours so far.

    I pitched using Wyeast 1968 smack pack in a 1L starter. The smack pack had active yeast I'm assuming because the package expanded a few hours after breaking the nutrient pack inside.

    I used a wort chiller to bring it down to 72 degrees before transferring to the primary vessel and the primary has been sitting in a constant 66 degrees for over 37 hours now with no activity. I did NOT aerate which I suspect is my problem.
     
  18. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    That pic looks to me like some fermentation bubbles that are trying to get organized. Are you able to move the carboy to a place where it is a little warmer to help those little buggers think they are on a balmy vacation? Just getting it 3-4 feet off the floor is likely to raise the temp 2-3 degrees.
     
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  19. roadk01

    roadk01 Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2015 Michigan

    I certainly can. I'll move it up stairs to a constant 70.
     
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    roadk01 Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2015 Michigan

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