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Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by roadk01, Jan 11, 2016.

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  1. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Maybe I'm not finished trying to figure the end of this story yet. Your smack pack had nutrient, and you mentioned in another post that you added more nutrient to the wort in an effort to get things started again. The nutrient may be the only topic that we haven't considered here for a reason why your yeast did not perform. I've never used the stuff so I don't know much about it, but I searched the forum for threads that discuss yeast nutrient and found one where @Vikeman made a comment that too much nutrient is toxic to yeast, and I also saw a similar comment on the HomeBrewTalk website. @Roadk01, do you know how much nutrient that you've added, and does your container contain any warning about over use?
     
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  2. ChuckHardslab

    ChuckHardslab Maven (1,251) Jan 25, 2012 Texas

    Do you know what the OG of your starter was? How much DME was used?
     
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  3. roadk01

    roadk01 Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2015 Michigan

    No message that I could see about yeast nutrient overuse. I didn't add the nutrient until after 48 hours of no activity though. The recipe called for 2 tsp of nutrient but I forgot to put it in then figured the nutrient in the smack pack would take care of it.
     
  4. roadk01

    roadk01 Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2015 Michigan

    I used 4 oz of dme and do not know what the starter's OG was. :slight_frown:
     
  5. roadk01

    roadk01 Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2015 Michigan

    No worries, although it would have been great to find the culprit, I've learned a lot from all the good people on this thread and forum through the course of troubleshooting . I'm hoping the dry yeast I pitched this afternoon will take and I'll chalk this up to gremlins. :slight_smile: I will not be deterred, any experience that can be learned from is good :slight_smile:.
     
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  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Cheers to you!!
     
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  7. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    Sorry there is nothing you can do to change that. My wife was like why is pickling lime and cocoa nibs on the grocery list?

    The homebrew forum is where you will find the most helpful, knowledgeable and funny people on ba.
     
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  8. roadk01

    roadk01 Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2015 Michigan

    Well gentlemen we have fermentation!!! Pitching the dry yeast yesterday afternoon did the trick!! I feel like passing cigars out!!! Thanks to all on this thread! I really appreciate you taking the time to help the newbie out and I've learned a ton just from reading and attempting your suggestions. Greatly appreciated!!!!
     
  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    See, this is your 'baby'!:wink:

    Cheers!
     
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  10. roadk01

    roadk01 Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2015 Michigan

    Ok so I'm going to make a starter for another batch I'm getting ready to brew. I plan on using 1L and a half cup of light DME then placing the flask on a stir plate for 24 hours. I've seen a video that describes chilling it after fermentation to force the yeast to settle and then pouring out most of the beer and just using the yeast on the bottom to pitch. Is chilling the starter after fermentation a good idea? If it is, how long do I chill it for and how long after chilling can I pitch?
     
  11. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Even better...use a yeast starter calculator like the one at Mr Malty or YeastCalc, or download BrewCipher (which you can also use to build recipes), and calculate a starter size more tailored to age of your yeast (and thus the implied starting cell count) and to the beer you're going to make.

    That's cold crashing. I do it with all my starters, because it keeps the starter beer, which has nothing flavor-wise to do with the beer recipe I'm making, mostly out of the finished beer.

    Overnight is adequate for very flocculent strains. 2-3 days for less flocculent strains.
     
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  12. roadk01

    roadk01 Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2015 Michigan

    Thanks Vikeman! The spreadsheet is awesome, it's a little more than I need doing the extract brew but I plan on getting into all grain brews one day and this helps me realize what all I need to look at. I did check out the Mrmalty's site to determine the amount of starter and dme to use.
     
  13. roadk01

    roadk01 Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2015 Michigan

    Well I think I may have found out what happened to my yeast. When I took temp readings as
    I was chilling the wort with a chiller I only took readings from the bottom. When making the next batch I noticed as I raised the thermometer up the temp of the wort increased dramatically, to over 100 degrees. I didn't not have my chiller coils properly spaced the first time and the top was significantly higher in temp than the lower and even mixing it all in the fermenter probably left the wort temp too high and killed the yeast. For the next batch I made sure the temp was at 70 from top to bottom before pouring into the fermenter vessel and pitching, and I have crazy fermentation with the 2nd batch, so much so I had to install a blowoff. I know you guys spent a good amount of your time trying to help me and thought you would like to know. Thanks again for the education!!
     
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  14. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I agree that you may have found the source of your problem. Stirring the wort while it chills is something that I do just to evenly cool the wort with the primary intent to speed up the process, but that stirring action is something that I've never seen written down anywhere as a brewing tip.
     
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  15. drinkybanjo

    drinkybanjo Crusader (457) Sep 4, 2008 New Jersey

    How do you transfer from pot to fermenter? Do you use a siphon? If so how long do you let it settle after it reaches the desired temperature?
     
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  16. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    It sits only a few minutes to settle a little bit before I get things set up for the next step. Then I pour my partial boil, which is 4 gallons or so, into a carboy that has a large funnel which has a large stainless steel strainer in it that fits the funnel perfectly. My wife holds the funnel to keep it stable, which is necessary because I stick the handle of a sanitized large serving spoon into the neck of the carboy along with the funnel so that a gap is created and the air inside the carboy has an escape route. While pouring, the strainer typically gets clogged with the trub that is still in suspension, so she uses my stirring spoon to scoop that stuff out. I'll pour enough of the wort to where there is about a half-quart of thick trub soup left in the kettle. This goes out to my compost pile along with the trub that my wife scooped out of the funnel.

    So far, this method has provided enough aeration for the beers that I have made (6-7 percent ABV or less), so I don't do the rock-the-carboy thing to aerate any further.
     
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