Homebrew Wedding

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by UAhobbes, Apr 17, 2014.

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  1. UAhobbes

    UAhobbes Initiate (0) Feb 15, 2014 California

    Gentlemen,

    I have a question regarding home brewing. I myself do not dabble (yet) however, my two good buddies do..and do it well. I'm getting married in a year and want them to brew up their delicious IPA for the ceremony. Both are invited to the wedding (ones a groomsmen) and both can make it. Heres the question:

    I want to pay them. How much should I pay them for their services/ingredients/time? I want to make sure I cover the cost of these three and then some. Can anyone ballpark it for me?

    Cheers.
     
  2. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Zealot (591) May 29, 2011 Florida
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    Ask them for the recipe, that would give a better idea. How much abv? How many ounces hops per 5 gallons? Typically IPA recipe that is ~6% abv should cost about $45 in ingredients + shipping if they buy ingredients online. Brew day most likely 6 - 8 hrs of time as well. Most every homebrewer I've ever met doesn't charge for labor though, they get paid in feedback and people talking about their beers.
     
  3. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Defender (602) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota
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    Yeah, it's nice that you're offering to pay them for labor, but I would never take any more money than the cost of ingredients.

    Probably some legal issues with paying for labor as well.
     
  4. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Defender (653) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Beer instead of cash...is there really any other answer for a wedding present? : )
     
  5. VikeMan

    VikeMan Meyvn (1,479) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    $0. It would be illegal for them to take your money.
     
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  6. sbeaton

    sbeaton Initiate (0) Apr 4, 2011 New Jersey

    If they won't take money buy them something homebrew related. For example when I brewed for my brothers rehearsal I refused to take money. So when he was ordering the bottles, 500ml Pliney style, he ordered me a few cases for myself and a couple growlers. They were all being shipped to my house anyway so I had no way to refuse this.
     
  7. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Aspirant (267) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia

    Reimbursement for the cost of ingredients is not illegal.
     
  8. fAtHanD

    fAtHanD Initiate (136) Mar 7, 2007 Michigan

    Get them each a give certificate at a local home brew store or an online retailer then they can use it for home brewing stuff of their choosing.
     
  9. VikeMan

    VikeMan Meyvn (1,479) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Excerpted from Title 27, Part 25, Subpart L, Section 25.205...
    "(a) Any adult may produce beer, without payment of tax, for personal or family use and not for sale."

    Note that it says sale. Not profit.
     
  10. cherche

    cherche Savant (952) Mar 27, 2013 California
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    I would just go with them and buy the ingredients to avoid any confusion about costs if possible?
     
  11. Mothergoose03

    Mothergoose03 Poo-Bah (1,587) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    How about if you just buy each of them a case of their favorite beer, or a mixed case of beer from their favorite brewery. That seems like a fair trade-off.
     
  12. fastenoughforphish

    fastenoughforphish Aspirant (218) Nov 14, 2012 Illinois
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    If they are brewing 5 gallon recipes (2 cases), about $40-$50 bucks. You could reimburse them for that. Ask them what they paid for the brews.
     
  13. inchrisin

    inchrisin Defender (654) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana

    You're reimbursing them for their time and overpaying for their ingredients. :) That'll cost an average of $25 to $30 per batch and each batch is at least 4 hours of labor. More like 8 if they're bottling and 5 if they're kegging.
     
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  14. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Aspirant (267) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia

    The product is not for sale.
    The beer is made for personal use.
    'Use' includes personal consumption as well as consumption by others

    When a product is 'for sale'...the producer makes or offers something of value with the expectation there's a 'market' for the product.

    Clearly...this is not the case.
    Why?
    Because no one offers a product 'for sale' without the expectation of profit.

    ---
    OP buys the ingredients.
    Someone else processes the ingredients into a malted beverage.
    No harm. No foul.

    That said...PA's ABC laws are totally whacked.
     
  15. sarcastro

    sarcastro Disciple (331) Sep 20, 2006 Michigan
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    I would pay for the ingredients and get them a gift for whatever else.
     
  16. jivex5k

    jivex5k Initiate (0) Apr 13, 2011 Florida

    Just ask them about it. You have a long time to hash out the details.
     
  17. FeDUBBELFIST

    FeDUBBELFIST Meyvn (1,070) Oct 31, 2009 Pennsylvania

    How much are you asking each friend to brew? I got married recently and had 10 corny kegs + one case each of red and white wine. No liquor. 120 people. The amount of alcohol was right on. YMMV.

    Most homebrewers don't have that many kegs. (I only do because of the wedding.) If I were you, I'd give them a gift certificate for $50 per keg that they brew. They might need to buy more kegs, a spare regulator, co2 tank, whatever, just for the wedding and I'd imagine they'd like to pick that stuff out themselves. I'd find out who their LHBS is too.
     
  18. VikeMan

    VikeMan Meyvn (1,479) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I can assure you there are businesses that do exactly this.
     
  19. pweis909

    pweis909 Meyvn (1,314) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin

    Why don't you sit in with them on brew day. You can pay for all the ingredients. Maybe you can make multiple batches and your friends keep some for themselves. This would probably circumvent any legal kerfuffles (which I think would be highly unlikely, but the idea of gifts or payments for homebrewrendered definitely skirts the spirit of the law, and probably the letter of the law). The biggest benefit is you would begin to dabble in homebrewing and join our ranks. Just be warned that homebrewing can have an impact on marital harmony - sometimes it helps, sometimes it hurts, and sometimes it doesn't matter.
     
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  20. sjverla

    sjverla Devotee (490) Dec 1, 2008 Massachusetts

    Kind of a wash on my end. She's very happy to have a pretty constant supply of beer, but is always frustrated by the mess and often by the taking up of a weekend day. The beers win out though.

    OP, if I were to be doing this for you/other betrothed friend, I'd probably just have you go in half on the ingredients and try to get you to hang/help out on brew day.
     
  21. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Devotee (492) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    I'm still waiting for the day it helps ,,
     
  22. cmmcdonn

    cmmcdonn Initiate (0) Jun 21, 2009 Virginia

    Anything you give them in ingredient costs is likely just going to come back to you in the wedding card. If they are brewing a considerable amount for the event, I would ask them to just consider the beer the wedding gift and call it a day.
     
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  23. jnrjr79

    jnrjr79 Initiate (159) Feb 23, 2009 Illinois

    Yeah, I'm all for buying them the ingredients, but if not, this is a nice approach. I brewed a beer for a wedding last year and just made it my gift to the bride and groom.
     
  24. Mag00n

    Mag00n Aspirant (208) Nov 21, 2008 New York

    The beer isnt for sale. Hes reimbursing them the cost. No different then me getting a 6 pack for you and you throwing me the cost plus maybe some gas money.
     
  25. VikeMan

    VikeMan Meyvn (1,479) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    It's no different than that? Okay, thanks.
     
  26. WelshBrewer

    WelshBrewer Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2013 Oregon
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    A gift of your choosing whether that gift is cash or something else is of your choosing.
    I see nothing illegal about that.
     
  27. Mag00n

    Mag00n Aspirant (208) Nov 21, 2008 New York

    Not sure if/why sarcastic. Wasnt addressing you specifically. Obviously its just my opinion. :beer:
     
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  28. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Defender (653) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Homebrew is walking on thin ice according to some...profit (or anything that alludes to profit) is a big no-no unless you have inner connections @ the IRS :)...just kidding PAC boosters

    Kinda like keeping kegs and making keggles out of them. :rolleyes:

    Cheers, brother...and nice avatar
     
  29. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Aspirant (267) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia

    OK.

    Name three.
     
  30. VikeMan

    VikeMan Meyvn (1,479) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Center for Naval Analyses
    National Public Radio
    Ten Thousand Villages
    Keystone Human Services

    Sorry, that's four. But those are the ones where I happen to know people. I'm guessing there's more.
     
  31. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Aspirant (267) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia

    Any so-called business selling products for the material cost of the product is not a business.
     
  32. VikeMan

    VikeMan Meyvn (1,479) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Even if that were a given, how does that relate to the words in the federal homebrew statute? Or all of the state statutes that require licenses to sell beer? If you can connect the legal dots to show that trading beer for money does not constitute a sale if not done for profit, I'll buy it.

    I personally don't think there's anything ethically wrong or immoral about brewing a bunch of beer for a wedding and being reimbursed for ingredients. But ethical <> legal.
     
  33. udubdawg

    udubdawg Initiate (0) Dec 11, 2006 Kansas

    I find this thread fairly ridiculous, but I'll say this: It would be cool if the OP were to go to his friends and say "I don't want a wedding gift. Instead, would you consider brewing/serving a batch of your awesome beer at my wedding?"

    As a guy, with guy friends, I'm always struggling to find a wedding gift that is more for my friend, and not some silly china or towels. What better than beer?

    cheers--
    --Michael
     
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