Homebrew Wedding

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by UAhobbes, Apr 17, 2014.

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  1. UAhobbes

    UAhobbes Initiate (0) Feb 15, 2014 California

    Gentlemen,

    I have a question regarding home brewing. I myself do not dabble (yet) however, my two good buddies do..and do it well. I'm getting married in a year and want them to brew up their delicious IPA for the ceremony. Both are invited to the wedding (ones a groomsmen) and both can make it. Heres the question:

    I want to pay them. How much should I pay them for their services/ingredients/time? I want to make sure I cover the cost of these three and then some. Can anyone ballpark it for me?

    Cheers.
     
  2. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    Ask them for the recipe, that would give a better idea. How much abv? How many ounces hops per 5 gallons? Typically IPA recipe that is ~6% abv should cost about $45 in ingredients + shipping if they buy ingredients online. Brew day most likely 6 - 8 hrs of time as well. Most every homebrewer I've ever met doesn't charge for labor though, they get paid in feedback and people talking about their beers.
     
  3. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    Yeah, it's nice that you're offering to pay them for labor, but I would never take any more money than the cost of ingredients.

    Probably some legal issues with paying for labor as well.
     
  4. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Beer instead of cash...is there really any other answer for a wedding present? : )
     
  5. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    $0. It would be illegal for them to take your money.
     
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  6. sbeaton

    sbeaton Initiate (0) Apr 4, 2011 New Jersey

    If they won't take money buy them something homebrew related. For example when I brewed for my brothers rehearsal I refused to take money. So when he was ordering the bottles, 500ml Pliney style, he ordered me a few cases for myself and a couple growlers. They were all being shipped to my house anyway so I had no way to refuse this.
     
  7. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    Reimbursement for the cost of ingredients is not illegal.
     
  8. fAtHanD

    fAtHanD Crusader (443) Mar 7, 2007 Michigan

    Get them each a give certificate at a local home brew store or an online retailer then they can use it for home brewing stuff of their choosing.
     
  9. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Excerpted from Title 27, Part 25, Subpart L, Section 25.205...
    "(a) Any adult may produce beer, without payment of tax, for personal or family use and not for sale."

    Note that it says sale. Not profit.
     
  10. cherche

    cherche Pooh-Bah (2,476) Mar 27, 2013 Washington
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    I would just go with them and buy the ingredients to avoid any confusion about costs if possible?
     
  11. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    How about if you just buy each of them a case of their favorite beer, or a mixed case of beer from their favorite brewery. That seems like a fair trade-off.
     
  12. fastenoughforphish

    fastenoughforphish Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2012 Illinois

    If they are brewing 5 gallon recipes (2 cases), about $40-$50 bucks. You could reimburse them for that. Ask them what they paid for the brews.
     
  13. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    You're reimbursing them for their time and overpaying for their ingredients. :slight_smile: That'll cost an average of $25 to $30 per batch and each batch is at least 4 hours of labor. More like 8 if they're bottling and 5 if they're kegging.
     
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  14. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    The product is not for sale.
    The beer is made for personal use.
    'Use' includes personal consumption as well as consumption by others

    When a product is 'for sale'...the producer makes or offers something of value with the expectation there's a 'market' for the product.

    Clearly...this is not the case.
    Why?
    Because no one offers a product 'for sale' without the expectation of profit.

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    OP buys the ingredients.
    Someone else processes the ingredients into a malted beverage.
    No harm. No foul.

    That said...PA's ABC laws are totally whacked.
     
  15. sarcastro

    sarcastro Savant (1,133) Sep 20, 2006 Michigan

    I would pay for the ingredients and get them a gift for whatever else.
     
  16. jivex5k

    jivex5k Initiate (0) Apr 13, 2011 Florida

    Just ask them about it. You have a long time to hash out the details.
     
  17. FeDUBBELFIST

    FeDUBBELFIST Pooh-Bah (1,765) Oct 31, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    How much are you asking each friend to brew? I got married recently and had 10 corny kegs + one case each of red and white wine. No liquor. 120 people. The amount of alcohol was right on. YMMV.

    Most homebrewers don't have that many kegs. (I only do because of the wedding.) If I were you, I'd give them a gift certificate for $50 per keg that they brew. They might need to buy more kegs, a spare regulator, co2 tank, whatever, just for the wedding and I'd imagine they'd like to pick that stuff out themselves. I'd find out who their LHBS is too.
     
  18. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I can assure you there are businesses that do exactly this.
     
  19. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Why don't you sit in with them on brew day. You can pay for all the ingredients. Maybe you can make multiple batches and your friends keep some for themselves. This would probably circumvent any legal kerfuffles (which I think would be highly unlikely, but the idea of gifts or payments for homebrewrendered definitely skirts the spirit of the law, and probably the letter of the law). The biggest benefit is you would begin to dabble in homebrewing and join our ranks. Just be warned that homebrewing can have an impact on marital harmony - sometimes it helps, sometimes it hurts, and sometimes it doesn't matter.
     
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  20. sjverla

    sjverla Initiate (0) Dec 1, 2008 Massachusetts

    Kind of a wash on my end. She's very happy to have a pretty constant supply of beer, but is always frustrated by the mess and often by the taking up of a weekend day. The beers win out though.

    OP, if I were to be doing this for you/other betrothed friend, I'd probably just have you go in half on the ingredients and try to get you to hang/help out on brew day.
     
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