Honey in Beer: Sanitation

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  1. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I was just reading a thread about honey and sanitation. I blinked, and it must have gone mead and got the boot. So let's talk about beer. I have brewed with raw honey added to the fermenter more than once. I haven't experienced any negative consequences from doing so. Has anyone? This might be a good topic for a poll.
     
  2. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    Honey has been money for me, when added straight to the fermenter.
     
  3. TimoP

    TimoP Initiate (0) Oct 19, 2011 Pennsylvania

    I like adding honey in the last 15min of the boil.
     
  4. DrewF

    DrewF Initiate (0) Jan 3, 2010 Pennsylvania

    I have done a couple of honey beers. My practice has been to add to the fermenter 24-48 hours after pitching yeast. No problems.
     
  5. Scumbag81

    Scumbag81 Initiate (0) Sep 10, 2014 California
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    One of two accidentally infected beers I've brewed had honey added to the fermenter. I've switched to adding honey at flameout.
     
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  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I have brewed with honey many times. I added it at flameout.

    Cheers!
     
  7. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I have only once made a honey beer, which I called a braggot but doing so could cause this thread to self-destruct. I added the honey when the wort temperature was down to 100 F. The warmth facilitated mixing but I figured it would not cost me any honey volatiles. Probably will do something similar the next time I play with honey.
     
  8. CADETS3

    CADETS3 Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 Texas

    I've made a lot of beer that I've added honey to at high krausen without any infections. However, I do have 2 containers that are opened that I would have to add at flameout just for peace of mind.
     
  9. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

    Never had a problem, I add honey late in the boil though
     
  10. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    I have made a honey "beer" with no malt in it in the past, without heating or sulfiting the "wort"...... and it ended up tasting like vomit. Contamination is a very real thing from the raw honey. Everyone will tell you that it's not, but after having to dump 5 gallons, I don't believe them. I always pasteurize my honey at 170 F for 15 minutes. Haven't had a problem since.
     
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  11. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    I'm on your side, man. :sunglasses:
     
  12. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    You are a contender for the most infected homebrews of all time award, so you can't really blame it on the honey.
     
  13. daem3384

    daem3384 Zealot (691) Nov 24, 2015 California

    I always add honey at flameout. It keeps most of the delicate flavors and aromas while eliminating the risk of ruining my beer, but, then again, I always proceed more cautiously than most when it comes to potential infection.
     
  14. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    I recall reading a blind taste test of three honey beers evaluated by a group of so called honey beer connoisseurs. The variables were honey not boiled, honey pasteurized at 170F and honey boiled. The winner was pasteurized at 170F. None were infected.

    YMMV
     
  15. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    Correction: "award-winning infected homebrews". :wink:
     
  16. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Yes, that too. You win twice!

    It also says a lot about the "quality" of BJCP judges in WI. :astonished:
     
  17. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    Oh, I dunno.... the BJCP judges in Illinois seem to enjoy "infected" beers where no yeast was pitched.

    http://knaves.org/DMC/victor/VICTORS2008.htm

    Coincidentally, this was a beer with a ton of honey in it. No yeast or critters 'cept from the dates and honey.

    So, it's possible for wild ferments to come out okay. However, I'd typically advise folks to pasteurize everything.
     
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  18. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Did any of your infected beers place at the National competition where they have competent BJCP judges?

    No. I rest my case.
     
  19. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    Hard to place at National if you never entered it.
     
  20. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Many people brew with unpasteurized honey every time they brew and claim they haven't had an infection over a period of many years. Of course, homebrewers have been known to make unsubstantiated claims on the internet.

    I'll agree with you for once. Using some form of honey pasteurization isn't a bad practice for a honey beer.
     
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