Honey

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by Swim424, Mar 27, 2012.

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  1. Swim424

    Swim424 Pundit (881) Apr 29, 2011 Florida

    Me and Permalator are gonna be brewing a Pale Ale and are adding honey. I have read some stuff on it doesn't seem to difficult, but I am just wondering if any of you guys have tried this, and if so got any suggestions.
    Doesn't matter what type of beer, but how much did you use and when did you add it. Also how much malt did you add along with the honey.
     
  2. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    For a Pale Ale generally I'd say ~1# of honey or <15% of maltbill at FO/KO. I pull a small amount wort into a pyrex cup to get it to disolve fully first.
     
  3. Swim424

    Swim424 Pundit (881) Apr 29, 2011 Florida

    Alright we had talked about doing around a pound. Haven't fully decided how much, and which malts were gonna use. We wanted to use a honey malt, and some other kind as well, not sure which yet.
     
  4. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    The March/April 2012 issue of Brew Your Own has an article on brewing with honey.
     
  5. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    dont pick up a cheap honey from someplace like wallyworld, get some really flavorful preferable raw honey. What kind of hops are you guys going to use? I would base my honey varietal off of them, ie cascade, amarillo etc - orange blossom; EKG's, fuggles - Mesquite, etc, etc
     
  6. Swim424

    Swim424 Pundit (881) Apr 29, 2011 Florida

    For sure cascade. We talked about using amarillo, williamette, and or one other (don't remember off the top of my head). But doing a half and half.

    Were buying tupelo honey (supposed to be really high quality, real expensive) from some old dude up the road who sells seasonal stuff from local farmers in the region. He gets it from georgia i think and it's supposed to be great pure stuff.
     
  7. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    if its granulated or clumped in the bottle its not pure tupelo, tupelo because of its high fructose concentration is always a syrup. It could be good with piney hops
     
  8. Swim424

    Swim424 Pundit (881) Apr 29, 2011 Florida

    Yeah we are about to buy it, and the guy tells us its the purest you can get, and that the stuff he has you can't find in stores, at least in our area. Were looking at using Cascade and williamette hops. half and half. So I'm hoping that they blend well with the honey.
     
  9. rmalinowski4

    rmalinowski4 Pundit (753) Oct 22, 2010 Illinois

    I did a pale ale with Citra and 1 pound of honey last summer that was real nice. I plan on doing something similar for this summer.
     
  10. Finn

    Finn Initiate (0) Nov 20, 2003 Pennsylvania

    I brewed a 1.045 Honey Blonde Ale recently. I added 1 lb of honey at the flameout, and stirred it in real well. This way you preserve some of the aromas/flavors of the honey but still get it pasteurized. That being said, what I mostly noticed was a very slight honey aroma, and a nice dryness to the beer partly because of the honey. Really nice with a hefty dose of Saaz.
     
  11. Swim424

    Swim424 Pundit (881) Apr 29, 2011 Florida

    Nice. Well I'm brewing now. Were gonna add 1 pound on 100% pure tupelo honey with about 10 mins left in the boil.
     
  12. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    NO NO NO NO NO, dont do that, add the honey after the wort has cooled. By boiling the honey your driving off the volatiles in the honey that you spent all that $$ on. Me I would add it to the beer after the primary has died down a bit. If you really want to add it today add it after the wort has chilled below say 140F
     
  13. Swim424

    Swim424 Pundit (881) Apr 29, 2011 Florida

    to late. We added it at the end of the boil. So it only boiled a few minutes. Tasting the wort its pretty potent still. I don't think adding it at the end made a big difference.
     
  14. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    that is a shame.
    next time, don't boil the honey. don't even partially boil the honey. it is very delicate, and you are paying good money for all of those volatiles that have literally vanished into thin air. if you are interested, add a tablespoon of honey to a short glass of water, dissolve and taste. then put it in your microwave for a minute or two, let cool and taste again. no smell. dead.

    its not too late though. a small addition of fragrant honey after transfer to the primary will likely provide some decent aroma. perhaps.
    Cheers.
     
  15. nanobrew

    nanobrew Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2008 California

    agree on the no boil. On top of that, I wouldn't add the honey until after a couple of days of primary fermentation. That way you won't loose a lot of delicate flavors/aromas with all of the CO2 blowing off
     
  16. Swim424

    Swim424 Pundit (881) Apr 29, 2011 Florida

    I mean it still smells fine. Ill just see how it turns out. If it isn't what I was hoping for then I will do it differently next time.
     
  17. nanobrew

    nanobrew Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2008 California

    that's the spirit! RDWHAHB

    plus this way you can say you were running a test to see the effects on when you add the honey :grinning:
     
  18. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    agreed 100%.
    i don't mean to imply that you're doing it wrong. this is just a good reason to do it again. no good reason to make homebrew the same way as anyone else anyway. that's boring and would kill the hobby.
    enjoy.
     
  19. Swim424

    Swim424 Pundit (881) Apr 29, 2011 Florida

    I agree with both of you. Im not to worried. Worst case scenario it has a lesser honey flavor and more malty flavor. So it wont be bad. Plus this is the last beer were using any malt extract, moving to all grain next time. So we'll probably be re-doing something along these lines again (if this is good then maybe replicating just all grain), so its all good. This is all part of the fun, and learning process.
     
  20. jthahn

    jthahn Initiate (0) Jun 1, 2009 Indiana

    we make a iipa that uses 2# of honey. the first goes in once the boil is finished and the second goes into the fermentor after the krausen has fallen. you could halve that for a pale ale, but i think its a good way to go about it.
     
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