Hop additions: Methods

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  1. Curmudgeon

    Curmudgeon Savant (1,110) May 29, 2014 Massachusetts
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    One part of my brewing process I'd like to make more efficient is how I add hops to my beer. I'm thinking mainly about IPAs (highly hopped beers) as I add them in large quantities and at various steps making the process a bit more complicated than hopping a brown ale or hefe, etc.

    I'd love to hear techniques from you guys on how you add:
    1. During the boil - hop bags, commando, hop spider, other filter, etc.
    2. FO/Whirlpooling - my immersion chiller is always already in there! You know, to disinfect it, I place it in with about 15min left in the boil. The makes whirlpooling tricky! Any better methods?
    3. Active fermentation hops - I like NEIPAs and add hops during active fermentation but I use a glass carboy and push my bagged hops through the thin neck of the carboy with my sanitized fingers. Not ideal.
    4. Keg hopping (dry hops) - I use either mesh hop bags here or nylons but am thinking about getting one of those stainless steel hop filter "things" that fit into corny kegs. Any recommendations?

    Thanks for any insight from your experiences!
     
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  2. Jaguar10301

    Jaguar10301 Crusader (423) Mar 1, 2010 Maine

    1. During: I use hop pellets and have both just thrown them in but also used paint strainer bags with SS nuts to hold the bag down, a different bag for each addition

    2. Never tried but I do the same thing with my chiller

    3. Never tried during active fermentation but I ferment in a bucket so I've dry hopped in it after active fermentation is over in a pain strainer bag again with SS nut

    4. I've done this with a beer or two same thing with bags... I typically dry hop in my fermenter though
     
  3. FandHbrewing

    FandHbrewing Initiate (0) May 18, 2016 Colorado

    1. Boil hops always just thrown them in. Feel like it is best to get them mixed in and just account for a little more loss when transfering.
    2. I have an IC as well if I want to WP two options, throw my hops in when I cut the temp and let stir with the IC to mix them up. Not a whirlpool more a hop steep but does the same thing. Then once I am done cooling pull the IC and stir for WP for 20 min than transfer.
    Or will run the IC for 1 minute or so to get down to 180. fill a 5 gallon bucket with water from the out side of the IC and add some starsan. Now you can put the IC in the star san until the WP is done and add it back to cool.

    3. I use sanke kegs for fermentation and fine these SS tubes to work well for dry hop.
    http://shop.greatfermentations.com/...NhMsWKaUxNB2grFX-QIOA_8w5fMQWoe_bNxoC4aPw_wcB
    4. have a bigger version of the above to add to a corney.
     
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  4. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    1. No filter. I'm tempted to start using whole cone. Pellets break down in the boil pretty much immediately. Whole cone seems to break down more slowly.
    2. No filter. I steep, and I've started waiting until the temp is below 180 with the past couple brews.
    3. Yes. No filter. I add them on pitch, and during active.
    4. I don't use kegs.
     
  5. Buck89

    Buck89 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,782) Feb 7, 2015 Tennessee
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    I just dry hopped in the keg using this "clear beer draught system" for the first time, and so far I'm very happy with it. The idea is to draw the beer from the top of the keg after the hops/yeast, etc drop to the bottom. I added 5 oz of loose pellet hops to the keg before racking and kept the beer at room temp for several days before chilling and carbing. Reasonably clear and zero particulates on the first draft. So far, so good...
     
  6. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    1. During the boil - Pellets and I go commando.
    2. FO/Whirlpooling - Commando again, but I don't use a wort chiller.
    3. Active fermentation hops - I've only done this once, and commando. I hop in primary after active fermentation commando as well. No problems if you are patient and cold crash.
    4. Keg - in cheesecloth suspended from string
     
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  7. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Commando. Always.
     
  8. ECCS

    ECCS Pundit (755) Oct 28, 2015 Illinois

    For #3 - how long did your fermentation go? I do everything the same as you, but for fermentation hopping I put the hops in a bag so that I can remove them after ~5 days. I was afraid if I put them early and wasn't able to remove them, they would sit there for 10+ days and give some off flavors.

    Did you experience any off flavors? Cheers
     
  9. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    No off flavors. It was a NEIPA, with primary fermentation hops added on day 3 and regular dry hops on day 10. Kegged directly from primary on day 21 approximately. Not a good beer, imo, but I think that was related to the water treatment, not hop usage. I actually really liked the aroma.
     
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  10. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I just did a NEIPA that sat on hops for 11 days total before bottling. No off flavors.

    Why wait so long to keg?
     
  11. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Depends on your system...my techniques depend on the beer in question and which system I'm brewing on...sometimes bags and other times commando depending on mostly whether I'm using pumps or not...dryhopping in kegs...always fine mesh nylon bags free floating :slight_smile:
     
  12. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Pumps love hop pellets.:rolling_eyes:
     
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  13. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    I normally wait 2 to 3 weeks to keg. With so much hop particulate in this beer I thought the extra week would help.
     
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  14. Granitebeard

    Granitebeard Zealot (549) Aug 24, 2016 Maine

    Without using a bag in the boil how do people get around clogged dip tubes in their kettle? My first all grain in my new kettle saw it clog fast, granted there were coffee grounds in the boil too. Just looking for ways to prevent it from clogging.
     
  15. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I whirlpool with a pump , it leaves a tight trub cone in the center of my kettle. @GreenKrusty101 that's how I learned pumps and pellets don't mix so well...
     
  16. chavinparty

    chavinparty Zealot (653) Jan 4, 2015 New Hampshire

    Ditch the dip tube 1/2" barb shouldn't clog
     
  17. Jaguar10301

    Jaguar10301 Crusader (423) Mar 1, 2010 Maine

    Hmmm not all of us have kettles that have dip tubes :stuck_out_tongue: I pour my kettle into my fermenters just fine and I get all that oxygen from agitating it!
     
  18. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    Whirlpool it. Let that set.
    Expect some loss as well.
     
  19. Curmudgeon

    Curmudgeon Savant (1,110) May 29, 2014 Massachusetts
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    Thanks for all the ideas guys. @FandHbrewing , I hadn't seen those thin ss filters for thin-neck carboys. Thanks!

    Anyone use this for keg dry hopping and like it?
    Or one of these for FO/WP hopping?

    Also, a lot of you seem to like going commando. You still go commando when using a bunch of pellet hops for IPAs/DIPAs etc.? Is the solution just to account for absorption loss? I went commando for my FO hops in my first IPA and I only yielded about 4 gallons when I was meant to get 5.
     
  20. invertalon

    invertalon Pooh-Bah (2,249) Jan 27, 2009 Ohio
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    I add all my dry hops commando... Usually in the 6-8oz range for my IPA's, as much as 10-12oz for DIPA's. I just cold crash and transfer to keg via spigot on my fermentation bucket. Easy enough, no issue at all. All the hops and whatnot drop below the level of my spigot so I pickup very little debris.

    As far as absorption loss, I account for it. You figure 0.10gal per 1oz of hops. So I typically brew so I have 5.5-5.75 gallon into my fermenter and net a full keg.
     
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