Hop combinations

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  1. ShabamJenkins

    ShabamJenkins Initiate (0) Oct 22, 2015 North Carolina

    So I was joking around last night that for my girlfriend's dog, Juarez, that we should brew a beer to drink to celebrate his birthday in a few weeks. Since we're too close to the deadline for most other ideas, I said we should brew an NEIPA using hops names that sound as if they were from Mexico (since he shares his name with a city in Mexico). The ones we came up with were El Dorado, Motueka, and Azacca. I've made a few NEIPA beers before but haven't branched out too far from really safe hops, Mosaic and Citra. I have no idea if these hops would compliment or clash as well as the ratio to use for all of them. I would likely DDH this beer. My grain bill for 2.5 gallons will probably be:

    5.75lb - 2 row
    2.5lb - Flaked Oats
    1lb - American Wheat
    .5lb - Honey Malt
    London III yeast

    Anyone have any opinions on using these hops together or possible ratios that would work?
     
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  2. ShabamJenkins

    ShabamJenkins Initiate (0) Oct 22, 2015 North Carolina

    The last time I brewed with this grain bill and yeast I did all Citra with 3 hop additions, whirlpool and 2 dry hops, no boil hops.I would think I would probably do something similar with this.
     
  3. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    I believe Motueka is from New Zealand...derived from Maori...maybe a NeoMexicanus variety would get you a little closer to Mexico.
     
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  4. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    Supposedly, Azacca is named after a Haitian goddess of the harvest.
     
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  5. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Those hops will work together just fine.
     
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  6. minderbender

    minderbender Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2009 New York

    To my ear, Amarillo and Bravo sound fairly Mexican.

    Just remember that hops are poisonous to dogs, so toast Juarez but don't let him near the beer or any hops left in the kettle.
     
  7. NorCalKid

    NorCalKid Initiate (0) Jan 10, 2018 California

    Ya dude hops sound good, 1:1:1 ratio, 10 min and whirlpool but I would definitely drop the honey malt and maybe the wheat. Keep the oats to 20%. My 2 cents.
     
  8. ECCS

    ECCS Pundit (755) Oct 28, 2015 Illinois

    What’s your reason or past experience for this recommendation?
     
  9. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Correct. Many of the NZ hops are named after the towns in the hops growing region, Nelson, Riwaka, and Motueka are some examples.
     
  10. ShabamJenkins

    ShabamJenkins Initiate (0) Oct 22, 2015 North Carolina

    I stopped by the LHBS after work yesterday to pick up all the ingredients. They didn't have Motueka (not sure if it just wasn't in stock or they don't carry it, I didn't ask) so I just went with Azacca and El Dorado. I don't know if I've had a single hopped beer with just El Dorado but I have with Azacca and it wasn't as strong of flavor compared to some of the other hops used in NEIPAs. I decided on the fly to go with a 2:1 ratio, Azacca to El Dorado to try to make sure Azacca has room to come out. The rest of the grains I got were what I listed in originally.
     
  11. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Eldorado is good enough to be the star of the show. That would be my recommendation.
     
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  12. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I had a similar thought when I brewed an Azacca/Mosaic IPA a couple of years ago. I used more Azacca than Mosaic with the hope this would help the Azacca to compete here. I used more of a 1.75:1 ratio. This batch was enjoyable to drink but I really can't provide any specific input on whether my 1.75:1 was an optimum choice.

    Cheers!
     
  13. NorCalKid

    NorCalKid Initiate (0) Jan 10, 2018 California

    Honey malt in moderation is good in most American IPA's but in NEIPA it probably will give an overly sweetness especially with low IBU's. Good malt just has to be used sparingly in certain situations. My experience.
     
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  14. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    ~$44 shipped for 3 lb.: El Dorado, Citra, Sterling 2016 ...will have to try that combo at least once :grin:
     
  15. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Iunno about the sterlings with those....
     
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  16. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Filler hop ...but mostly for lagers :wink:
     
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  17. wasatchback

    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    Great info on Honey Malt from Julian at Beechwood BBQ on a BN session podcast within the last few years. Recommends never more than 2%. At small amounts it amplifies the “tropical notes” of the hops without really adding unwanted flavor from the malt.
     
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