Hopping Experiment - Poll time

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by telejunkie, Oct 3, 2016.

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Hops Experiment

  1. Kegging vs. Bottling

    6 vote(s)
    21.4%
  2. Dry Hop Quantity

    22 vote(s)
    78.6%
  3. Other (please list below)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    Wouldn't be a stand alone piece, but maybe included in a story down the line. Would just be one result, far from being truly relevant, but hopefully fun for attendees none the less. Will definitely provide the results here though.
    Pellets…girlfriend would freak out if I used leaf since I usually have probably 6-12 pounds of hops in our freezer at any given time…also pellets keep longer too…which is a big bonus when buying bulk.
     
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  2. Brewday

    Brewday Zealot (721) Dec 25, 2015 New York

    Curious to see how this works out. I read and heard a few reasons why you should wait for the krausen to fall or be close to falling.

    1.You will lose hop aroma from the CO2.
    2. Possible infection.
    3. Dying yeast could drag hop oils down
     
  3. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    #1 is probably a valid concern. It's a tradeoff.
    #2 I wouldn't worry about. Lots of people do "fermentation hopping." I've yet to hear of an infection attributed to it.
    #3 Not so much dying yeast, but flocculating yeast can effectively remove hop oils that are stuck to them. Another tradeoff.
     
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  4. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    Right…so testing the theory…a lot of folks seem to favor the split of dry hops these days with at least some of the dry hops going in while fermentation is still active:
    https://www.beeradvocate.com/commun...a-poll-27-fermentation-dry-hop-timing.431179/
    70-80% attenuation seemed to be the consensus from the BA poll for brewing a NE IPA.
     
  5. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
    Pooh-Bah

    1. But other compounds are created due to biotransformations.
    2. Commercial breweries add with a few degrees Plato left to go. Never heard the infection concern.
    3. You will lose oils and IBU. You can always dry hop again when the beer has dropped bright.
     
  6. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    So brewed a fairly basic Pale Ale for this experiment. OG = 1.055, FG = 1.013 with equal parts (50 mL) Nottingham yeast slurry split between 3 fermenters. All three fermenters were pitched at 70F and fermented at 68F, all three fermenters had just over 4 gallons.

    Roughly 56 hours post pitching, the SG stood at 1.024 in all fermenters. Fermenter #1 received 14 grams each Mosaic, Citra & Azzaca. Fermenter #2 received 7g each the same hops. Fermenter #3 received no dry hop at this point. Beer was left for three days on dry hops to finish fermentation, swirling the fermenters once a day. I racked the 3 fermenters into CO2 purged kegs and each beer stood at 1.013. Keg #1 (from fermenter #1) received no dry hops, Keg #2 received 7 g each of those previous hops placed in paint strainer bags and tied off with floss to hang in the fermenter. Keg #3 got the same treatment with 14 g each of the same hop lineup. Dry hops were left in the keg for 3 days, swirling kegs once per day. The three kegs then received 3 days at 12 psi again, swirling a few times a day and a 2.5 hour drive I was hoping to get to near full carbonation

    Results….these were not tasted blind. While i didn't get an official tally from the 35 attendees of the seminar, the general consensus was that the beers were undercarbed. Beer #1 had a bit more carb (was on a different regulator). Beer #1 also seemed to have more comments on it than either of the either two. But very few people could detect much difference between the three beers. In a tasting done with some staff members, #3 may have won slightly in the aroma department and #2 in the flavor department. But #1 had the most carb and profile seemed more robust than the other two, so results were flawed.

    Conclusion…unfortunately such a slight error as not getting the carbonation right flawed what to me was one of my better run experiments. The clear lack of a consensus though on the profiles did indicate though that the yeast & CO2 scrubbing wasn't as significant a problem for Beer #1 as I and many others may have thought.
    If I were to try this again, I would probably bump up the hops in the dry hop phase a bit to make them stand out a bit more and get possibly muddled with the whirlpool hops.

    If anybody else who was in the seminar has input, I would love to hear it!
     
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