Hoppy Dunkelweizen?

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by stella77artois, Oct 31, 2013.

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  1. stella77artois

    stella77artois Initiate (0) Nov 4, 2010 New York

    Anyone every brewed or tried one of these? I'm brainstorming ideas for my next batch, and this came to mind. I've found only a few recipes online. I know the two don't really go together, but I'm considering brewing one. I don't mean getting the hops to IPA territory IBU, but hoppy like a pale ale. Figure I like dunkelweizens, I like hoppy beers, why not combine 'em? Torn between what types of hops to use. Normal hops seen in Dunkelweizens like various Noble varieties, or fruitier varieties. The Noble hops would keep a normal Weizen taste, while I think the fruity hops (Citra, Chinnok, Cascade etc) could play nicely off the banana flavors of this style. Gonna probably be a crap shoot!

    Input/opinions/experience?
     
  2. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    I like hoppy hefeweizens, but a hoppy dunkelweizen just doesn't seem right to me.
     
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  3. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I'm mostly with MrOH on this one. I guess it depends a bit on where your dunkelweizen gets it color. If the difference is primarily just color, for example, you derive your color from a carafa special malt that has very little impact on flavor, it should be fine. However, if you are using crystal malts and/or dark munich or melanoiden as the color source, I would be concerned that too many strong flavors will prevent any one of them from shining in the best possible way.

    It's also worth knowing that hoppy hefeweizen is not a slamdunk for everyone. I happen to like the combination of yeast aroma/flavor with hop aroma/flavor, but there are naysayers out there. If you like that combo and you primarily are brewing for yourself, go for it. If you are brewing for an audience, it could be a tougher sell.
     
  4. stella77artois

    stella77artois Initiate (0) Nov 4, 2010 New York

    Thanks for the advice.

    I'm steeping some chocolate malt for color. My current version of the recipe has Wheat LME and Munich LME (about a 2 to 1 ratio). Also steeping some American Wheat malt. This could all change, as I'm always doing research and listening to others with more experience.

    Also - always brew for myself!!! Only have a few friends/family that appreciate good craft beer, so it'd be pointless to brew to try to impress.
     
  5. azorie

    azorie Pooh-Bah (2,471) Mar 18, 2006 Florida
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    WEll I like balance, but your totally right You buy the stuff and brew it, then make it for yourself FIRST! , hop away....
     
  6. Gunslinger711

    Gunslinger711 Zealot (663) Apr 16, 2010 Indiana

    Do yourself a favor, get some hops and and some of your favorite dunkelweizens and steep some hops in first to see if you like the combination before committing to a recipe.
     
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  7. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    I have nothing to add to this discussion, but I saw your member name and I immediately wanted some gunslinger hot sauce! its been too long since Ive had some
     
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  8. stella77artois

    stella77artois Initiate (0) Nov 4, 2010 New York

  9. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    I think the thing that stands out to me in a dunkelweizen is the hint of sweet chocolate. If you over hop, that's out the window. I'm not sure what's left.
     
  10. stella77artois

    stella77artois Initiate (0) Nov 4, 2010 New York

    I certainly see where you're coming from. However, I can think of several brews that have cocoa/chocolate notes that are hoppy. Double Bastard, Arrogant Bastard, Wailing Wench and others. All beers I really enjoy. Again, I'm not going for IPA-level IBU, I just want some hop flavor.
     
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