Hoppy low ABV brewing (session beers) tips

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  1. CO-Bloom

    CO-Bloom Pundit (879) May 3, 2014 Colorado

    I am really interested in creating a non watery low ABV hoppy beer. As has been discussed before, the major downfall of session IPA's is they are often completely void of any body. I love the idea but I have not enjoyed most of the execution. So rather than trying to replicate the bone dry, non-malty base that I want from a 6-7% IPA I am going for a maltier pale ale with a lot of late addition hops. I am hoping the sweeter more interesting malt profile fights against the lower amount of grain used.

    If you have been on a similar quest to make the perfect hoppy session ale, please share any tips you have with me! This is the recipe I am thinking of brewing in the next week or so. I am new to creating my own recipe so I am certainly open to suggestions.

    Brew Type: All Grain BIAB
    Style: Session Pale
    Batch Size: 5.25 gal
    Boil Volume: 7.25 gal
    Boil Time: 60 min
    Brewhouse Efficiency: 70.0 %

    Est. Stats
    Est. Original Gravity: 1.040
    Est. Final Gravity: 1.012
    Est. Color: SRM 5.5
    Est. Bitterness: 38 IBU
    Est. ABV: 3.7%

    Grain
    3.00 lb 2 Row 37.5%
    2.00 lb Light Munich Malt 25%
    1.25 lb White Wheat 18.8 %
    .75 lb Flaked Oats 9.4%
    .5 lb Cara-pils 6.3%
    .25 Caramel 40L 3.1%

    Hops
    .4 oz Citra 20min
    .6 oz Citra 10min
    1.0 oz Citra 5 min
    1.5 oz Citra 0 min
    2 rounds of dry hopping at 1.0 oz each

    Yeast

    Wyeast American Ale 1056

    Mash
    Mash temp: 160 deg
    Mash length: 60 mins
     
  2. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    I have not used oats and wheat together, so don't know about that.

    Is light Munich L10? If so , I'd make that 1 lb and add the other lb to 2 row..

    Consider using golden promise, marris otter to boost the extra malty taste you want.
     
  3. CO-Bloom

    CO-Bloom Pundit (879) May 3, 2014 Colorado

    Thanks! The Munich says it is between 5-7L - so it is fairly light? In my research I have come across heavy use of MO and GP in session beers but I don't have those on hand but plan to pick some up. I am few hours from a LHBS so I will give this next batch a go with what I have. With that said, I will change the amounts, or remove stuff all together if it makes a better recipe. So, maybe the oats and the amount of Munich are overkill? I really want to contribute to the body of the beer but I don't want sweet tea...
     
  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I should first caveat that I have personally never brewed a hoppy session beer.

    You have an ‘interesting’ grain bill of 39% 2 row and 61% other. That should indeed produce a beer with tons of body.

    My favorite low gravity hoppy beer is Carton Boat Beer. That beer is not explicitly labeled as being a Session IPA but it basically is.

    The co-owner/brewer of Carton (Augie Carton) posted on BA:

    “boats bill is mostly 2 row with some flaked wheat and a touch of acidulated”

    So, using grains which will provide some body (flaked wheat in the case of Carton Boat Beer) is important here.

    Do you need the amount and complexity of non-2 row malt that is listed in this recipe? I would suspect not. Entirely up to you how far you want to go here.

    Another consideration is yeast strain choice. For example, Danstar Windsor produces beers with higher final gravity (more body). Maybe a combination of mostly 2 row, a bit of flaked wheat and Danstar Windsor will get you were you want to be?

    Also, the mash temperature of 160 degrees is very high; lots of dextrins will be produced with this mash.

    I suppose my general comment is that the existing recipe will certainly get you a beer with lots and lots of body but maybe too much?

    Cheers!
     
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  5. CO-Bloom

    CO-Bloom Pundit (879) May 3, 2014 Colorado

    Thanks for the insight Jack. I fully admit that I may have come out of the gate a little too strong in search for the illusive session IPA body... haha. I think I will dial back the diversity and amount of these sweeter/body grains. I guess I have taken several tips on producing session beers and ended up lumping them all together, which could be a little much and little muddled.

    But here is my theory for the grain. I am using less grain so I want my grain choice to "go further" so to speak in both flavor and body. The lesser ratio of grain to water will no doubt create a waterier beer if I don't use more flavorful malt. But like you pointed out it could very well be too much.

    As far as mashing high, I am very interested in experimenting with very high mash temps in the vein of this Brulosophy experiment. With the end results, tasters could not distinguish between a 4.4% blonde and a 3.4% blonde. That is my goal: for a 3.7-4% pale to taste like to a 5+% pale.
     
  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    There is no doubt that mashing high will create a lot of dextrins (which provide body).

    I am guessing the challenge for you is to properly balance all of the items that you have in your recipe:
    • 61% non 2-row
    • 160 degrees mash
    I think that you are know thinking about a simpler grain bill but still mashing at 160 degrees? That might be the appropriate 'answer'.

    Give it a try and report back how your hoppy low ABV beer turns out.

    Cheers!
     
  7. CO-Bloom

    CO-Bloom Pundit (879) May 3, 2014 Colorado

    Yep!

    I will report back with an updated recipe that I go with and how it turns out. I am excited about this beer in the warmer months if I can really dial it in.
     
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  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    In summary there are three 'dials' that you can tweak to provide more body to a beer:
    • Fermentables selection (e.g., flaked wheat, ...)
    • Mash temperature (e.g., higher mash temperature)
    • Yeast selection (e.g., Danstar Windsor)
    There may be others that should be listed but these are the three that come to mind at the moment.

    Needless to say but turning up all three dials could result in too much body.

    Cheers!
     
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  9. FeDUBBELFIST

    FeDUBBELFIST Pooh-Bah (1,765) Oct 31, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    One other option would be non fermentables. In this case, lactose would work fine.
     
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  10. CO-Bloom

    CO-Bloom Pundit (879) May 3, 2014 Colorado

    RECIPE UPDATE

    This is what I think I will brew next week (after I wash my London III yeast)

    Note: This is what I have on hand. I will experiment with the recipe in the future when I have more ingredients available (Golden Promise, honey malt, flaked wheat, lactose, different yeasts etc.) So I can't try some recipe advice now but these are great ideas for future brews, so if you have more, keep 'em coming.
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    Grain: Simpler, yet more complex than my other pales/ipas

    5 lb 2 Row 62.5%
    1.5 lb Light Munich 18.8%
    1 lb White Wheat 12.5%
    .5 lb Flaked Oat 6.3%

    Yeast: Lowest attenuating strain I have on hand.

    Wyeast London III.

    I will have to wait since I need to wash it from my NE IPA when its done in primary (another 5-7 days). I was going to go with WY1056 since I have some washed on hand but I think L3's lower attenuation will help achieve what I am going for.

    Mash
    With the yeast change, I'm going to shoot for 156-158 rather than 160.
     
  11. Hanglow

    Hanglow Pooh-Bah (2,051) Feb 18, 2012 Scotland
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    Yeast as well, a yeast that produces lots of glycerol will leave a good body. See belle saison, even though it attenuates like a beast the beer it leaves is full bodied.

    Although I don't know off hand of any ale yeasts that produce as much as that strain
     
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  12. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    I would make it darker. Instead of a hoppy pale ale consider a hoppy amber ale . . . shoot for something around 12-15 SRM. The eyes have a real impact on how a beer is perceived.

    That said, I suspect you'll have a tough time balancing hop bitterness/residual sweetness if you mash in the 160 range. I would stick with something more conventional like 153'ish, ditch the wheat (what are you expecting from it?), boost caramel to at least 5% (maybe 90 or 120), maybe even sub Munich II (or honey malt?).

    Philosophically speaking: Is 3.7% what you are really after? I sometimes brew small beers, but to me that's in the mid-4% range. From your description, I'd try for an FG around 1.014 with a corresponding higher OG . . . this puts you back into a more conventional recipe. L3 should outperform Chico in your case. I would definitely use GP or MO or even Pale over generic 2-row . . . why hold back? Have you ever made an all-Citra beer?
     
  13. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    • Mash Length (shorter)
     
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  14. CO-Bloom

    CO-Bloom Pundit (879) May 3, 2014 Colorado

    Good call on the SRM, I agree darker could provide more complexity to a beer this small.

    I love the idea/challenge of brewing a low ABV beer I actually want to drink. Personally I am getting burnt out on the ABV strength of my favorite style (APA/IPA's). I love the thought of being able to enjoy a delicious beer for the flavor and have it not affect me. I don't drink many beers in one sitting, so it's not about drinking several without getting drunk it's about having a beer on hand that I can drink 1 or 2 with no buzz. So I am really exploring sub 4% and maybe I will get really crazy and try something sub 3%. So I am seeking some advice/tips on how to do that.

    For the grain suggestions I appreciate them as advice for this thread (for others and for my future brews) but I personally can't do it this time around (I live in a rural place with no LHBS).

    As far as Citra, I have made a zombie dust clone in the past. Citra is one of my favorite hops and Citra is all I have on hand.
     
  15. CO-Bloom

    CO-Bloom Pundit (879) May 3, 2014 Colorado

    Oh and as far as the wheat, I like the subtle breadiness it provides without too much sweetness, I am going for more malt complexity to try and make a very light beer interesting. Not sure if it is "needed" but at this point I am in the experimental phase.

    Thanks for he input!
     
  16. Supergenious

    Supergenious Maven (1,273) May 9, 2011 Michigan

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  17. CarolusP

    CarolusP Zealot (590) Oct 22, 2015 Minnesota

    I've never tried this myself, but the Basic Brewing video guys did a few low-gravity beers in which they used 100% rye (don't try this with a mash tun) to make sub-2% ABV beers that had the body of larger beers. While I don't think a 100% rye beer is what you want, you could probably try throwing a pound of rye into the bill for more body.
     
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  18. CO-Bloom

    CO-Bloom Pundit (879) May 3, 2014 Colorado

    Yes, this article was an inspiration for my "journey", hence my initial heavy use of light Munich. I plan to pick up some Vienna, Marris Otter, and Golden Promise to go for the type of beer he brewed.

    If you don't mind these questions, what was your ABV and how would you describe the beer? Did you feel like the hops had a good malt backbone? Did it come out too sweet and toasty for an "IPA?" Or was it still fairly watery. I just don't know what to expect from these types of beers since I have never had anything lower than 4.5%
     
  19. CO-Bloom

    CO-Bloom Pundit (879) May 3, 2014 Colorado

    Thank you! I hadn't heard of these guys, but I just looked them up on Youtube.
     
  20. Supergenious

    Supergenious Maven (1,273) May 9, 2011 Michigan

    I believe mine was a little less "session". I think my OG was about 1.045. If I recall it was well balanced, not too sweet, and not too thin. It tasted like a more normal, 7% abv IPA. I used WY1450, which I liked for this, neutral with a lower attenuation.
     
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