Hops for Rye Pale Ale

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  1. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    Hey y'all,
    Hoping to brew up a rye pale ale on my days off next week. Usually, I like spicy, dank hops with rye, but I don't currently have any in stock. Here's what I have, please chime in.

    • Simcoe
    • Amarillo
    • El Dorado
    • Azacca
    • Centennial
    • Crystal
    • Willamette
    • Loral
    Also have some Merkur, which I've been using to bitter with for the last year or so (most of my beers get the majority of IBUs from late additions).
     
  2. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Simcoe, centennial, and Amarillo would be my choices.
     
  3. NorCalKid

    NorCalKid Initiate (0) Jan 10, 2018 California

    Ha,ha. I just wrote up a DIPA Rye for an upcoming brew day. I’ve got Centennial & Cryo Simcoe. Thinking about adding Cascade and Chinook as well.
     
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  4. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Centennial and simco, and a good shot of the simco in the DH. Made that combo a few times with good result but, did use 1 oz cascade at 60,,,,,,,, just because.
     
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  5. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    At the risk of sounding like a dick, my recommendation would be "any hop that you would normally use in a pale ale without rye", because all that rye contributes to a beer is beta-glucans. Same as oats, really.
     
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  6. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    Crystal hop will add a little spice. The rye won't, but Crystal hop should.
     
  7. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    I'll see your dick, and raise you 5 inches. :wink:
     
  8. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    I've found that rye adds a breadiness that is different from barley-malt alone (which is more sweetbread, pastry, or cookie-like), and is different from the breadiness you get from wheat (which I find to be more crackery). Rye adds a breadiness that tastes like rye bread.
     
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  9. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    Indeed. Finally, finally, the interwebs are catching on with the truth about rye. Finally. It took many years to get pumpernickel out of people's minds, and some are still stuck in that rut. But yes, I totally agree with you. A different kind of breadiness. And earthy. Like dirt, only it tastes good, not bad.
     
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  10. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Don't know if I'd say that, but beers that have grists that are high in rye are definitely different than those that are all barley. To me there is very little, if any, difference in taste. The difference is in mouthfeel. YMMV, obviously.
     
  11. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    I personally disagree with the belief that rye offers no distinct flavor versus barley. Wheat definitely tastes different than barley, and in my mouth rye tastes different as well. Just tasting the grains straight, even blindfolded, I think anyone would be able to discern between the three even if they couldn't identify them - although I guess I could be wrong on that because some people just don't pay that much attention to what they're smelling and tasting - there are still people who taste beer and when you ask them what they specifically taste they say "beer".
     
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  12. NorCalKid

    NorCalKid Initiate (0) Jan 10, 2018 California

    The couple of IPA’s that I’ve used rye in I have noticed an increased body and mouthfeel. Around 20% in the grain bill. Something that I like when put in the right style of beer.
     
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  13. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    i like some rye either flaked or malt in pales and ipas on occasion. definatly adds some flavor, but cant say right now what. guess ill have to brew some next.
     
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  14. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    Thanks for the input on hops, y'all! I'm going to go Centennial, Simcoe, and Crystal on it.
    2:1:1 at whirlpool and 1:2:1 dryhop.
     
  15. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Grains taste different pre-fermentation v. post-fermentation. Sure, wheat bread and rye bread taste different, but neither is fermented. This, IMO, is the disconnect with these grains and their contributions to your end product.
     
  16. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    That's where you're wrong, homeboy! Bread is a fermented product. That's why there are air spaces in it (yeast producing carbon dioxide). While it may not be as fully fermented as beer (there are a lot of starches left uncoverted into sugars), it is still a product changed by the enzymatic action of a micro-organism.
    I stand by my statement that a rye beer has a flavor of rye bread, which as @dmtaylor stated, is earthy. Hence my predilection towards spicy and pungent hops to use in a rye pale ale or IPA. In a saison, I expect the yeast to provide this, and in a porter or stout, I prefer the harshness of Black Patent to step in in place of spice.
     
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  17. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    Found a couple of oz Eureka! in the fridge that I bought on a whim a few months ago and forgot about. From the descriptors on the pouches, sounds like it'd be just the thing! So now going to be Centennial, Simcoe, Eureka.
     
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  18. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Ideal ratio - 3 Crystal / 1 Simcoe / 1 Centennial

    Why? Because Crystal is subtle compared to the others and will get lost in the mix at the ratio you specified. Crystal hops bring 75% spice and 25% citrus to the party IF you use enough of them. Spice is what rye needs IF you can't taste the spice note from rye malt AND you want spice. There are plenty of people that taste a spicy note with rye and zero spicy hops.

    Rye bread tastes like Rye bread on account of caraway seed. Rye bread without caraway seed isn't proper Rye bread. Therefore, beers made with rye malt don't taste like rye bread unless they are dosed with caraway.

    None of this matters much if you enjoy the beer you made.
     
  19. minderbender

    minderbender Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2009 New York

    Holy shit! Welcome back.

    Edited to add: Not really relevant for the discussion, but I had a really great sour beer from Scratch brewed with caraway seeds.
     
  20. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

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