Hopstand vs Whirlpool-Is there a difference

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  1. geneseohawk

    geneseohawk Initiate (0) Nov 4, 2008 Illinois

    Was wondering if there was a difference between the two. I am wondering how to do this as well. If I am reading correctly- it basically means at flame out- add you hops at a certain temp post-boil and let them be exposed to the wort prior to chilling? If anyone has any good advice on what temp to do this at and for how long that would be appreciated.
     
    #1 geneseohawk, Mar 6, 2015
  2. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    A hopstand can occur during a whirpool or in still wort after flameout. A whirpool refers to a constant swirl created within the wort. This can be done with pumps or stirring. Pumps are preferred.
     
    #2 Brew_Betty, Mar 6, 2015
  3. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    There's a difference between the two but not much of a distinction.
    Both happen post-boil.

    Whirl-pooling allegedly concentrates trub in the center of the kettle; however ... not everyone enjoys the same results.
    Whirl-pooling may or may not involve a hop addition.

    The hop addition in a 'hop-stand' rests in hot wort for a few minutes to 30 or more.
    Some brewers chill the wort so as not to cause the loss of volatile oils.

    How cool is too cool?
    Some BA brewers claim good results as low as 120°F.
    My lower limit has been 160°F.
     
    #3 HerbMeowing, Mar 6, 2015
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  4. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    I do hopstands/whirlpools, with hops, below 170°...my method generally involves an average temp of 165° for 10 min.
     
    #4 JohnSnowNW, Mar 6, 2015
  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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  6. KeyWestGator

    KeyWestGator Savant (1,159) Jan 21, 2013 Florida
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    Is "hop bursting" another term for a hop stand or a different technique?
     
    #6 KeyWestGator, Mar 6, 2015
  7. DrMindbender

    DrMindbender Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2014 South Carolina

    Hop Bursting is used to describe the use of most hops towards the end of the boil or as a hopstand or whirlpool. This gives more flavor and aroma without adding bitterness.

    I do hopstands on all of my IPAs, and it has made them so much better than without, in my opinion. I add on average 2 ounces at flameout and stand for 15 minutes with the kettle covered. It adds more depth to the beer instead of just a simple bitterness. It also allows you to fully understand how a certain hops can contribute to a beer, when done in a single hop recipe.
     
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  8. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Hop bursting is adding all of the hops as late additions, without a traditional bittering (e.g. 60 minute) addition. Certainly a hop stand can be a part of hop bursting.
     
    #8 VikeMan, Mar 6, 2015
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  9. Mag00n

    Mag00n Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2008 New York

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  10. Robtobfest

    Robtobfest Initiate (0) Oct 21, 2009 Connecticut

    I recently brewed an ipa 10 gallon batch with 8 ounces all at flameout. Hopstand for 30 min at 180 ish and it dropped to 150 ish by the end of 30 min. I did NOT add ANY hops until flameout!
    Took first place in American Pale Ale . All citra and Amarillo.
    Love this technique. I estimate I got about 50 ibu or so. Love my ipas flavorful, full of aroma with light bitterness ala Alpine Nelson and Duet.
     
    #10 Robtobfest, Mar 7, 2015
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