HotD Dave - extinct?

If you do, make sure you don't play copyrighted music in the background. Monetize that bitch.

 

At this point, the beer is more of a commodity than an actual beer. What was the sale price on the last one? Something like $1500 IIRC. I'd bet the next one we hear about changing hands is only going to do so if there's a significant amount of cash involved. Even then the buyer needs to decide if it's worth opening or if it's an appreciating investment like a Wagner.

 

re: too expensive to drink, the way to cash it in without outright selling it is bringing it to a tasting with various ridiculous beers you'd have to pay big $$$ or trade really high to try.

i can't imagine ever going to a tasting where i don't already know the people involved, but honestly i think that's sort of the only good bang for your buck thing to do with dave. of course, you could also just drink it and share it with friends, especially considering that your possession of a dave likely means you've already had a lot of rare beer (shrug). if i miraculously came into possession of dave, i'd trade it to one of the active / reputable people on here for quantity.

[edit: the way the last sentence of that paragraph relates to the first is that i'd probably inherently "get the worst of it" when i trade dave, but that's because, in the end, i don't really have the ability to "get the best of it" unless that just means drinking a small bottle of $1,500 beer by myself or with a couple friends.]

 

It was bottled somewhat recently if I remember correctly, and by that I mean maybe 5-6 years ago.

 

I'm tempted to send you a bottle of Utopias.

 

the beer itself is almost 20 years old soon. it was at toronado in 98 after 4 years of aging, and its base beer was 1994 adam. te auction took place in 2008 so it must have been bottled just afew years before that. more recent than you'd hink

 

HotD Dave has only been bottled one time. The batch of Adam was frozen 3 times in 93' and aged in oak afterwards. It is currently 19 years old. It now only sells for charity purposes at roughly $1600. Even at that, Alan will only sell it at his choosing as there are only a few bottles left. I guarantee you that at it's high abv it tastes amazing still. The regular Adam from 93' is still delicious from what I hear so I can only imagine that Dave is fantastic.

 

He didn't end up trading the bottle, just dicked a few people around and crawled back into his hole. Very interesting to see his new username.

 

Yes, he did. Locally and in-person. And no, not to me.

 

you haven't had aged j.w. lees. have you had any aged utopias (millennium)? aged port? '94 triple bock?

 

Can you tell me via text who it was since I live close to you and will be in San Diego and....I should stop typing before the police catch onto my plan..... Bwhahaha

Cheers!

 

How can you guarantee "it tastes amazing"? Most "whale" ratings people are 99% biased by the rarity. Adam is way, way better at about 2-4 years old than it is at 10-20 years also. Eve is a shadow of a beer at this point but is worth trying just as a historical relic.

Also that sale was a good 4 years ago I believe. The beer would easily sell for $3k now I would think.

 

Nope. I've never stumbled across them and based on other aged beers I've had I don't think they're worth seeking out.

 

Eve isnt even half the abv of Dave. I'd bet that since its closer to being a spirit or port or sherry etc. that it has aged well. Eve isn't even a comparable beer to Dave even though it was Alan's first attempt to make Dave.

 

what i'm asking is whether you have any experience with aged beverages in the 25-30% abv range to justify your offhand dismissal. it sounds like you don't.

not that i've had dave, but i'm not going to write it off just because la fin du monde doesn't age well. and i think most beers don't age well.

 

If someone can explain to me why ABV matters in how well a beer handles age then I'll reconsider. (I asked upthread and got no response.)

The fact is that it's going to oxidize and my experience is that I really dislike oxidized flavors. I might be mistaken about this, but I really doubt it.

 

o. i have no scientific background to answer that. i think the science of beer isn't well studied anyway. my experience is empirical, which is why i asked about the examples i listed.

that's fair. which oxidized beers have you tried?

 

Can you explain how Eve was an attempt to make Dave? From my limited time on this site I don't know that.

Also just because something is 20%abv + doesn't mean it's going to "age well", get better, or even hold up. It's usually just a slow decline. Sam Adams Millennium is good but is kind of fading around the edges, that's a 12 year old 20% abv beer that blurs the lines of beer and spirit.

 

agreed for the most part, though i'd argue that the slower the decline, the better it ages.

 

You've convinced me as I think I've worded my stance incorrectly. I shouldn't have used the word "amazingly" as I've not had Dave fresh or aged. I would assume that it would be quite good because of the high abv stunting the oxidation of the beer along with the fact that I enjoy a little oxidation in these older barleywines. BA Leviathan from 2000 comes to mind for myself as I've had it often and recently. That beer is 12 years old and has aged beautifully.

As for the Eve reference, perhaps I'm incorrect. I had though that Alan decided to make Dave after the incidental creation of Eve. Perhaps it was just inspiration for him?

I'm rather young on this site as well and could very easily have misinformation.