How bad did I Mess up my mini mash?

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  1. Fluffhorton

    Fluffhorton Initiate (0) Oct 11, 2012 New York

    I'm brewing a heady topper clone. (mini mash) The recipe says to steep the grains between 155-160 for 45 minutes. I turned the heat off at 160 and put the grain in, after 15 minutes or so the water was getting just below 155 so i turned the heat back on as low as it could go. I checked it about 5 minutes later and it was still right around 155, I then started messing with something else for a few minutes, maybe 10 minutes later i checked it and the water was around 195 degrees. I turned the heat off immediately and started stirring vigorously to cool it back down to a good steeping temp. How bad did I fuck up? How will this affect my final product? I usually wouldn't even worry that much, but this kit was about twice as much as every other kit i've done.
     
  2. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I don't think this is too bad. Most conversion happened during that 45 min stretch. It's possible that your enzymes got pretty thoroughly denatured, and that you didn't see any more conversion after that, but I think it is more likely that you mash was not at a uniform temp and you measured a hot spot. Even if you failed to get conversion after that point, because it is a minimash, you are relying on extract to provide s chunk of gravity. Worst case scenario is your beer will finish higher than ideal but you'll probably still like it
     
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  3. kirkcreelman

    kirkcreelman Initiate (0) Jun 17, 2015 Canada (ON)

    whats done is done. If your steeping in a bag i would say not too much damage. the bag will tend take a longer time to get surface water into the grains... so internal temps are probably less than the thermometer says. Are the grains a "supplement" to a larger wort? if so, you are probably just steeping for some extra nutrients, color and flavours. i would guess not too much damage done. If, on the other hand this was a full on mash conversion for the bulk of product ..then your dinked.
     
  4. kirkcreelman

    kirkcreelman Initiate (0) Jun 17, 2015 Canada (ON)

    ...the high heat will stop starch conversions and you will get less sugar yield... not an issue if its just a supplement. Worse though, at those higher temps you start to leech a lot of tannin's from the grains which is fairly undesirable and will affect the final product.
     
  5. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I thought about mentioning tannins, but this really becomes an issue when high temps are combined with high pH. Plus, I suspect your high temp measurement was just a hot spot and not the average temp of your mash
     
  6. CDennyRun

    CDennyRun Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2014 Washington

    I think you'll be just fine. Probably won't taste JUST like Heady, but you're good. No clone will anyway!
     
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  7. pinyin

    pinyin Savant (1,119) Sep 19, 2013 New York

    made the same mistake once when I got my new Edelmettal banjo burner. Ale turned out fine for the most part.
     
  8. CDennyRun

    CDennyRun Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2014 Washington

    The best thing you could do is get yourself a mash tun, and move to all grain. Problem solved!
     
  9. aobrehm

    aobrehm Initiate (0) Jun 18, 2015 Oregon

    Sounds to me like you mashed in the 155-160 range for 20+ minutes, which is just dandy in terms of starch to sugar conversion. I don't know if you're necessarily trying to get enzymatic activity with steeping grains, or if you're mostly using these for color and flavo(u)r as kirkcreelman suggests. Either way, no harm done at this stage.

    The question is whether you extracted enough tannins when you heated it in the 170-195 range to make your beer astringent (mouth puckering, drying). I personally doubt it. I'm guessing that the amount of steeping grains you're using with this kit isn't substantial enough in the grand scheme of your recipe to contribute so many tannins that your beer has major astringency. That said, when your batch is done, taste it with an open mind. If you find it to be excessively dry and mouth puckering, this might be the cause. Learn from your mistake and adjust your process next time.

    Most importantly, DO NOT THROW THE BATCH OUT! Worst case scenario it's a great learning experience.
     
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  10. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I'd guess the wort was at appropriate mash temps maybe long enough (20+ minutes in this case) for pretty much full conversion from starches to sugars and unfermentable dextrins. But what probably suffered was fermentability, i.e. the proportion of unfermentables to fermentables is probably higher than it would have been if the temp hadn't run away.
     
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