How badly did I mess up

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  1. kevanb

    kevanb Pooh-Bah (2,643) Apr 4, 2011 Illinois
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    Novice homebrewer here, used the 1 gallon Northern Brewer Plinian Legacy DIPA kit and this sucker is going crazy! I noticed what appeared to be a slight hairline fracture (3rd picture) on the exterior of the airlock, didn't notice it before and I only received the kit on Friday, beer was brewed yesterday, it's been fermenting for about 28 hours at the time of writing this post. Is this typical, the beer looks to be very active in the carboy. Did something get infected or is this indicative of sanitation problems? Faulty airlock? Too much yeast (I was worried I didn't put in enough...)? Or is this somehow normal and it's just super active?

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    For what it's worth, I still always check the box when making mac n cheese...
     
  2. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    Happens all the time when you don't have adequate headspace. Since this is your first kit I imagine you don't have a lot of extra supplies. If I were you, I'd put a towel under the jug, remove the airlock, and add some loose fitting Al foil. Clean the airlock, and re-attach when the krausen has subsided. If that crack goes all the way through, and causes the airlock to lose liquid, throw it out and purchase another one.

    If you have some extra supplies, like hose and whatnot, Goolge "Blow-off tube."
     
  3. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,547) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    Not much head space there, so that could be the only probably. What yeast are you using and at what temp? An aggressive yeast pitched and fermented at high temp could cause crazy amount of fermentation right off the get go.

    The airlock should shave zero impact.
     
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  4. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    Na, you didn't screw the pooch on this one. Find a local home brew store and get a new air lock. Also, get a 1.5 or 2 gallon bucket and a lid to do your fermentations hence forth. I think many people would advocate blow off tubes, and they have a point, but you can't brew an x gallon batch in an x gallon container. You need to brew in a x+1 gallon container. I would also recommend to upgrade to 5 gallon batches. The amount of effort is the same as a 1 gallon kit. But you get 5 gallons of beer. The cost break down of 5 gallon kits is also cheaper.
     
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  5. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,238) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    The problem appears to be that you are brewing a 1 gallon kit in what looks to be a 1 gallon fermenter. I typically brew 5-5.5 gallons in a 6.5 gallon bucket, about 15-23% headspace, and I use a blow off tube. NB appears to be selling 1 gallon jugs with airlocks and kits to make 1 gallon of beer primarily to new brewers who may not know about blow off tubes. That adds up to a big mess.
     
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  6. kevanb

    kevanb Pooh-Bah (2,643) Apr 4, 2011 Illinois
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    @pweis909 @corbmoster @GetMeAnIPA

    Beer was about 65 degrees when I pitched the yeast, it was a "Dry Ale Yeast" that came in the kit, storage temps are about 55-65.

    How long should I use the blowoff tube for? I have some extra hose that will work just fine, will I need to use the blow off tube for the entirety of primary fermentation or will the beer eventually calm down enough where just a few days is fine?

    I'd ask @JohnSnowNW but he knows nothing.... :stuck_out_tongue:

    These are all great tips, I'm unfortunately confined to the 1 gallon set up for now, I don't have enough storage or space to have a 5 gallon standing upright so the 1 gallon is perfect for me but I will definitely be sure to pay more attention to headspace and fill lines.

    Secondly, will this have any adverse affects on the beer itself? Stronger ABV? less hop profile? Off flavors? Or is it just one of those things where if the beer ferments super aggressively at first but then subsides after a while it is the same as if it fermented at an even rate for the same duration?
     
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  7. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    A blow-off can be used for the entirely of the primary fermentation.

    You should not get any off-flavors from the blow-out. However, the ambient temperature, and consistency thereof, will have an effect on the finished product. Yeast create heat as they multiply, and this can raise the temperature of your wort 5ish degrees higher than ambient. Higher temperatures than the yeast is rated for, or large fluctuations, can produce more esters and fusel alcohols.

    I wouldn't sweat it too much, as you're past the time to make a difference, and this is your first beer. Enjoy the process, learn from it, and carry on :wink:
     
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  8. Mag00n

    Mag00n Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2008 New York

    You can use a 3 gallon carboy or mr beer/brew demon. 1 gallon is really not 'perfect', its not large enough. You will not have enough head space for even a non-aggressive fermentation. A 3 gallon carboy is around $24 on morebeer, Id look into it.
     
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  9. kevanb

    kevanb Pooh-Bah (2,643) Apr 4, 2011 Illinois
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    Gotcha, I'll get a blow-out tube set up tonight and hopefully things will be smoother (and cleaner) from here on out. Considering how sticky all that goop looks inside the carboy, will it be possible to properly clean it or is this one a lost cause?
     
  10. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    It'll come off, just soak it in warm water with PBW (homebrew store will have it) or OxyClean Free (without fragrance or detergents).
     
  11. Wanda

    Wanda Zealot (506) Nov 23, 2006 Tennessee

    If you plan on sticking with using glass carboy's get a carboy brush. Its got an angled head so you can scrub the parts that start the bottleneck.
     
  12. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand Pooh-Bah (5,533) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Just so there is no misunderstanding, when you say clean it, if you mean the jug with the beer still inside, then, no, don't clean any of the krausen except what is on the outside of the jug for now. The rest will come off after the jug is empty.
     
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  13. kevanb

    kevanb Pooh-Bah (2,643) Apr 4, 2011 Illinois
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    Yes, obviously I'd be cleaning this carboy after I remove the contents, I'll just get some good cleaner from the homebrew supply
     
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  14. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Bonus for saying badly instead of bad and cussing in the title!
     
  15. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,363) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I agree with the posts that recommend a larger fermenter like 2-3 gallons for brewing 1 gallon batches.

    I am guessing that the jug in the pictures is the jug from Northern Brewer?

    http://shop.northernbrewer.com/shop...nt/fermenting-equipment/small-batch-fermentor

    The above item states: “NEW! This fermentor also comes with a length of blowoff tubing - simply insert it where the airlock goes to make active fermentations safer and cleaner.”

    So, it appears that Northern Brewer recognizes that this jug is ‘too small’ for active fermentations and that a blow off tube should be used in those circumstances.

    I am of the opinion that a larger fermentation vessel is a ‘better’ solution for future batches.

    Cheers!
     
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  16. kevanb

    kevanb Pooh-Bah (2,643) Apr 4, 2011 Illinois
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    Yep! I've got the extra hose so when I get home from work, I'll set up the blow off tube and let it ride for a while. It seems to be the case, I'll definitely be getting a 2 gallon vessel for future batches. I'm just glad that its just an issue of space and not infection or damaged/ruined beer.
     
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  17. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,363) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Yeah, your beer will turn out just fine!!

    Cheers!
     
  18. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    This 2 gallon bucket comes in at less than 10 inches over all. A blow off tube would be more low profile than an airlock.
     
  19. kevanb

    kevanb Pooh-Bah (2,643) Apr 4, 2011 Illinois
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    Got the blow off tube set up tonight and it's fermenting nicely, it needs like much of the mess was caused by the beer flowing up into the airlock and as the gas rose, it caused those nasty bubbles. I haven't seen any indication of foam or beer rising through the blow off tube so I might go back to a clean and sanitized air lock, is that advisable?
     
  20. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    You can (assuming your fermentation is actually winding down), but you can also just leave the blow-off attached. Whatever you feel comfortable with.
     
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