How do you combat light when cellaring? Please post pics...

Discussion in 'Cellaring / Aging Beer' started by smchenry75, Jul 10, 2014.

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  1. smchenry75

    smchenry75 Initiate (0) Jul 7, 2010 Indiana

    All of my beer intended to age is stored in my basement. For the most part it's cool (around 63 F) and fairly light free. Currently all of my beer is stored either in boxes on the floor or simply on shelving units. I am looking to class things up a bit and plan on building some nice cabinets for long-term storage.

    So here's the question. For simplicity, I would like to simply build some very sturdy "book case" like units and place the bottles directly on the shelves. This would be easiest and honestly, I kind of like the appeal of being able to see my collection and having it visible to others - almost as a conversation piece. Not that much light would get to the bottles - BUT - occasionally, my kids do forget to turn of the lights in the basement. So, that has me thinking that I should put build something more in the way of cabinets with doors. A bit more time consuming and IMO... not quite as cool from a display standpoint.

    What are your thoughts on the impact of occasional light from the basement lights (incandescent bulbs) being left on and what are some of your similar setups? Thanks!
     
  2. ASak10

    ASak10 Initiate (0) Jan 2, 2014 Colorado

    YOUR BEER WILL EXPLODE!!!!

    Kidding, of course, it'll be fine, incandescent lights won't make a lick of difference, especially for occasional periods of time.
     
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  3. MikeDAdams

    MikeDAdams Initiate (0) Jul 7, 2014 Idaho

    Mine sit under the basement stairs... not much light 99% of the time
    Also just sitting in boxes... nothing fancy
     
  4. smchenry75

    smchenry75 Initiate (0) Jul 7, 2010 Indiana

    For complete protection from light and simplicity, I could just put it all under the basement stairs... But I'm looking for something a bit more elegant. I like the look of all of the exposed bottles (look at me with all of my fancy, rare beer) and I'm looking for a good woodworking project. I like the look of something like the pic below a lot... but again, I'm not sure if I need to worry about the light hitting it... So my real trade of is... 1) look at how cool I am with all my fancy beer vs. 2) simply installing cabinet doors to ensure that zero light comes in contact with the beer.

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  5. RDMII

    RDMII Initiate (0) Apr 11, 2010 Georgia

    I have old shelves in my basement that my dad built 40 years ago to hold fasteners, bolts, wood, you name it. My beers all sit on them now, facing out, all nice like the pic above. I go to the basement once a week to grab stuff, stare a bit, and maybe rearrange. The bottles see light *maybe* 20 minutes a week at most. They're fine. Light does indeed kill, but it takes a good bit at close proximity.
     
  6. AndrewK

    AndrewK Savant (1,111) Oct 20, 2006 California

    If you are concerned about your kids leaving the lights on down there, you could install a motion activated light switch, like you see in some commercial bathrooms and storage areas.
     
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  7. RDMII

    RDMII Initiate (0) Apr 11, 2010 Georgia

    Or, scold the kids violently for leaving them on. A few timeouts and missed desserts and they'll straighten up.
     
  8. paulys55

    paulys55 Initiate (0) Aug 2, 2010 Pennsylvania

    Curtains? I don't know. Most of my cellar is just kept in 750ml cases so no light gets in but I don't really care about displaying or showing off my cellar though I do like sharing it. And don't take that the wrong way. There is nothing wrong with displaying or showing it off or whatever, it's just not why I do it.
     
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  9. Hop-Droppen-Roll

    Hop-Droppen-Roll Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Minnesota

    I vote for solid doors. Build up the mystery - instead of ostentatiously presenting your beer to the world, lie in wait, then, when the moment presents itself - 'oh, what's in that beautiful cabinet?'...

    Oh, just some beer (swing open the door)...

    (guest literally knocked on their ass by the sight of such a collection)...
     
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  10. Davepoolesque

    Davepoolesque Pooh-Bah (2,634) Aug 25, 2012 Massachusetts
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    You could build a descending cabinet that goes into the floor when down. Set it up to a remote, press and button and it slowly rises. That would be a real conversation piece. 100% serious. I want one of those.
     
  11. Beervana

    Beervana Initiate (0) Apr 15, 2014 Canada (BC)

    Easiest solution might just be to replace your incandescent bulbs with LED bulbs.
     
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  12. oregonskibum

    oregonskibum Initiate (0) Mar 14, 2009 Oregon

    I second the motion regarding a motion sensor light switch. You can purchase one from Home Depot for less than $30. It's fairly easy to swap a motion sensor switch with the regular wall plate switch. Some come with the ability to adjust the time before switching off. And when you're stumbling down the stairs carrying two cases of beer, it's kind of nice to have the light just switch on for you.
     
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  13. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,133) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    The part of the light spectrum that causes beer to become lightstruck is "...is 550 nm and below" according to the Master Brewers Association of the Americas. Incandescent (tungsten) light is usually considered relatively safe for beer, LED OTOH appears to be much worse based on the below graph. Florescent bulbs, the most common light in retail setting is also worse than the common household incandescent bulb.

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  14. Beervana

    Beervana Initiate (0) Apr 15, 2014 Canada (BC)

    Interesting, I didn't realize visible light effected beer, I always thought it was largely UV light that caused beer to become lightstruck; more of a 400nm and below range.

    Does that mean Fluorescent may actually be best?

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  15. JasonLovesBeer

    JasonLovesBeer Initiate (0) Mar 27, 2013 Canada (BC)

    I have been wondering this - I have beer in a cooler behind UV-protective glass and out of direct sunlight, but there is still plenty of ambient light which makes me nervous. Planning to cover the glass with vinyl to be safe, but wish I could keep the visibility
     
  16. andyctree

    andyctree Zealot (663) Apr 20, 2010 North Carolina

    black spray paint every bottle.
     
  17. CyberMonk

    CyberMonk Crusader (421) May 18, 2010 California

    Personally, I dip my bottles entirely in wax and throw them into abyssal ocean trenches to cellar for 50 to 100 years or so. Trawling locations will be provided to my children in the will.
     
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  18. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,133) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    In brewing industry literature, fluorescent light has always been stated to be worse than incandescent. Take this quote (again, from the MBAA in their The Practical Brewer handbook):
    I agree, the graph you show does not suggest that. Here's another graph (admitting that such graphs are a dime a dozen on the 'net, and vary greatly):
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    It should also be noted that their are different types of fluorescent bulbs and some retailers do use clear "UV" filter tubes over the fluorescent bulbs that filter part, but not all, of the harmful light spectrum.

    I don't know - the science of beer becoming lightstruck is over a century old and, despite brewers' warning of "Do Not Expose to Light" and "Keep in a cool, dark place" bottled beer is still routinely exposed to light. In retail settings, it is done for marketing but once the beer is owned by the consumer, I don't understand why people who cellar would want to take a chance with any light, simply for "beer porn" reasons.

    I keep my cellared beers in boxes, behind heavy wooden room dividers. Ugly? Maybe. I don't care.
    (Boxed beer also prevented the dreaded "falling dominoes" affect should one bottle get knocked over...).





     
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  19. Mbo108

    Mbo108 Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Yeah, this is how I feel (both parts). I kinda wanna "display" mine on shelves in the basement (no sunlight back there, occaisional light bulb lights when i work in other parts of the basement....but at the same time I feel like the smarter move is to keep it hidden back in an old entertainment center with doors..So it'd go from ~4 hrs of lightbulb light/week to seconds (when I open to grab a beer). ...but it looks soo good!! haha
     
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