how do you feel about Cascade's prices?

Discussion in 'Northwest' started by box_social, May 23, 2013.

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  1. box_social

    box_social Initiate (116) Mar 6, 2013 Oregon
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    first off: yes, it's their beer and they can do what they want since people (like me) will buy it anyway

    I went to lunch the other day at Cascade and remembered they had the 2010 apricot listed online for one of the blenders reserve taps and i decided to get a glass. i didn't notice until later that it was $9/glass and not only that, they have removed the 2013 (or whatever) apricot from the menu entirely which is normally $6 and put the 2010 in it's place (not just as a blender reserve.) now, is this a bonus for us that they're putting 2010 apricot on (for an extended period of time?) for our enjoyment, or is this another case of getting Vlad'd as they make a mint on their standard brew with a "vintage" tag at an inflated price? sure they make amazing beer and i'll keep going back, but the prices are getting ridiculous and i'm not buying into the "vintage" tag all that much. and shit, Vlad and chocolate bourbonic are only $8 on tap.

    now supracot, that might be another story...
     
  2. m4ttj0nes

    m4ttj0nes Aspirant (204) Feb 21, 2012 Oregon
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    I refuse to buy bottles unless a trade partner specifically wants it. I generally avoid the barrel house at this point as well.
     
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  3. podunkparte

    podunkparte Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2009 Washington

    I don't mind anyone's prices as long as they're posted fairly, really. I had a problem with a place a couple years ago when I ordered a Double Bastard, which wasn't on the listed menu, drank it, and when I went to pay found out it was a $9 pint. I just think it's shady to serve something out of the realm of normal prices without letting people know what they're buying. In my case, why not serve that beer in a format that would keep it around $5 like a normal beer?

    Anyway, was the beer itself posted? If no, I'd have a problem. If yes, chalk it up to being able to have a delicious beer 3 years after it was made.

    Just talking about draft prices, by the way. Some of the bottle prices these days have gotten way out of hand considering what's inside them.
     
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  4. sukwonee

    sukwonee Crusader (740) Dec 13, 2011 Washington
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    I love Cascade!
     
  5. ford0626

    ford0626 Aspirant (240) Oct 5, 2010 Washington
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    I'm starting to feel the same way...
    I used to have no problem spending that kind of money.
    There are so many new local places that don't have the best thing since sliced bread attitude, I would rather buy from them. For example, fremont keeps coming out with cool stuff for a fraction.

    You should go to FFF. They refuse to upsize the pub or barrel systems just to keep prices high.
    If you want a beer any day of the week, you are waiting outside snow or shine for an hour to hour n a half. they did just build this bottle express line for to go bombers. Great beer... ill wait in the express line and go home to share with my friends!
     
  6. w_klon

    w_klon Initiate (183) Aug 1, 2012 Oregon
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    x2

    ...unless they ever decide to bottle bourbonic plague. That'll be a different story ;)

    Honestly, I'd be there regularly if I was #BallinOuttaControl, but $40+ each visit to cascade is a little too steep for me. On top of that, Sassys is right across the street and that can be even more dangerous for my wallet ;)
     
  7. Shmeal

    Shmeal Devotee (409) Nov 9, 2009 Oregon
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    They do bottle bourbonic plague. Look for it next month.

    I love Cascade, I really do. However, they are increasing their prices too quickly for me to rationalize getting bottles for myself. I only pick up bottles for trading partners now. 2 years ago I could buy a vintage bottle of Bourbonic Plague for $30, but now I find myself paying the same amount for their regular releases? Sure they can justify the cost because of all their online sales, but I feel like the local scene is going to turn its back on them if they keep this up.
     
  8. Sarlacc83

    Sarlacc83 Crusader (752) Mar 2, 2008 Oregon
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    It's pretty simple for me:

    $30 for a bottle of Vlad or $34 for 4 bottles of Golden Canary (375mL) or $28 for 4 bottles of Commons Maybelle.

    Years back, Ron was worried that people wouldn't buy the bottles if he put it out at the necessary price (low 20s), and the Portland BAs were more than happy to tell him that yes, yes we'd buy it at that price. Seems that Cascade has now decided to push the envelope to match what other sour producers are doing.
     
  9. Shmeal

    Shmeal Devotee (409) Nov 9, 2009 Oregon
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    ....and then 2 miles away you have Upright, selling Blend Love for $12 and Fantasia for $20.........
     
  10. OakedCanuck

    OakedCanuck Initiate (0) Jun 23, 2009 Washington

    So much this.
     
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  11. leedorham

    leedorham Defender (696) Apr 27, 2006 Washington

    I think it would be different for me if I lived in PDX. For someone who only occasionally gets there, I don't mind the premium price. However, if I was a local, that kind of price would get old quick and I'd probably frequent other establishments.
     
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  12. waltersrj

    waltersrj Initiate (0) Dec 16, 2010 Washington

    I have been somewhat shocked by the quick rise of bottle prices. When I first moved to Seattle it was roughly $16 for their regular bottles (Apricot, Kriek, etc) and $22 for special stuff...now we're looking at $20-$22 for regulars and $30 for stuff like Vlad. WTH. They've lost me as a customer as I'd rather buy Upright, Logsdon's, Commons, etc for less money. Tilquin Gueuze 750's aren't even that much lol and I would rather stock up on that.
     
  13. kscaldef

    kscaldef Initiate (0) Jun 11, 2010 Oregon
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    I've also substantially reduced my patronage of Cascade. I'll pick up a bottle for a trade partner if they want it; although for the most part they don't any more. Trying to drink down my own cellar, so I'm much more likely to just go have something on tap than buy a bottle, but even then I've gotten a bit tired of how much I end up spending there for not very much beer.
     
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  14. suncrust

    suncrust Initiate (161) Apr 17, 2011 Washington
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    I'm with this guy on both accounts. Been done with them for a while.
     
  15. w_klon

    w_klon Initiate (183) Aug 1, 2012 Oregon
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    Oh yeah, I know they bottle it. I was just referring to the upcoming release, that they've been teasing us with for a few months now. And the fact that I don't like they're pricing on bottles...but will gladly shell it out for a few bottles of Bourbonic.:)
     
  16. Lordkrystic

    Lordkrystic Initiate (0) Jul 18, 2012 Washington

    I buy bottles to trade, I drink their beer on site. Good food, good atmosphere, good beer. Family friendly. Love the people that work there.
     
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  17. Franch

    Franch Devotee (450) Mar 22, 2011 District of Columbia
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    thanks for reducing your patronage of cascade, providing for sufficient supply that they'll ship me world-class sours in NY via their website! :D
     
  18. Shmeal

    Shmeal Devotee (409) Nov 9, 2009 Oregon
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    Franch, it's people like you who are making Cascade raise their prices. Please stop!
     
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  19. Franch

    Franch Devotee (450) Mar 22, 2011 District of Columbia
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    stuff's too good y'all. noyaux all day.

    at least you don't have me to blame for hotd's prices and quality control issues?
     
  20. Shmeal

    Shmeal Devotee (409) Nov 9, 2009 Oregon
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    Noyaux is stupid good. I give you that.
     
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  21. Sarlacc83

    Sarlacc83 Crusader (752) Mar 2, 2008 Oregon
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    You know, you can probably just buy a bottle of lactic acid locally and save yourself a bunch of money. ;)
     
  22. Franch

    Franch Devotee (450) Mar 22, 2011 District of Columbia
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    iso: your shitty sours
    ft: bolt cutter
     
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  23. box_social

    box_social Initiate (116) Mar 6, 2013 Oregon
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    i would buy golden canary and blend love all day long if it lasted for more than a day on the shelves
     
  24. Shmeal

    Shmeal Devotee (409) Nov 9, 2009 Oregon
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    Blend Love lasted a week or so I think.
     
  25. waltersrj

    waltersrj Initiate (0) Dec 16, 2010 Washington

    I'll gladly pay the $ for HotD beers whether or not they're carbonated or undercarbonated...at least i'm getting something world class as opposed to the same lactic soured beer that shows a different fruit taste for about 2 seconds before ripping your throat out of your ass with a vinegar burn.
     
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  26. distantmantra

    distantmantra Savant (968) May 23, 2011 Washington
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    So I hear what you're saying, but tell me how you really feel.
     
  27. Franch

    Franch Devotee (450) Mar 22, 2011 District of Columbia
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    ft: oxidized infected flat 2k11 bourbon fred
    iso: fucking anything else
     
  28. DimensionX

    DimensionX Initiate (0) Oct 1, 2010 Oregon

    Most Cascade beers seem to have a really similar flavor.
    Something might be aged for 14 months in oregon oak with peaches and rosemary before being transferred into another barrel for 2 years with sour cherries and Camembert cheese but it still just ends up tasting like a cascade sour.

    Sometimes one of the beers is really great and stands out from the crowd but you never know what the "good one" happens to be on that day's taplist. So I spend 30$ just to find out which beer i like the best but by then the acid reflex kicks in and I'm done.
     
  29. SeaAle

    SeaAle Disciple (392) Jun 24, 2012 Oregon
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    Cascade's beers are so damn good that I overlook the price. I wish Seattle would get a brewery that specializes in Sours like Cascade.
     
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  30. suncrust

    suncrust Initiate (161) Apr 17, 2011 Washington
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    Add in a box of sweet tarts and bam, you've got that Cascade flava'.
     
  31. distantmantra

    distantmantra Savant (968) May 23, 2011 Washington
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    At least we get bottles and there are tons of places in Seattle that have them on tap regularly (Uber, Brouwers, Mutiny Hall, Collins Pub, Pine Box, etc.).
     
  32. SeaAle

    SeaAle Disciple (392) Jun 24, 2012 Oregon
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    Yeah but their Live from the Barrel beers is where it's at. The last time I was down they had "Double Redrum". It was just fucking amazing.
     
  33. DrAwkward82

    DrAwkward82 Initiate (55) Apr 16, 2005 California

    Same. The Barrel Room is one of my first stops whenever I visit PDX and I never mind paying their prices (especially since i typically just get tasters of everything sour). I don't disagree that their prices are on the high side, but to me Cascade categorically produces the best sours in the country, so it's justifiable as an occasional indulgence.
     
  34. dirtylou

    dirtylou Poo-Bah (3,337) May 12, 2005 Washington
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    So much regurgitated hate in this thread - If ever there was a thread to lock...
     
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  35. distantmantra

    distantmantra Savant (968) May 23, 2011 Washington
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    I had Gold Yeller live from the barrel at Collins the other night and had The Vine live from the barrel at Uber last Thursday.
     
  36. Gobigvt7

    Gobigvt7 Initiate (0) Mar 15, 2008 Oregon

    I wish they'd consider small format a la Russian River.
     
  37. box_social

    box_social Initiate (116) Mar 6, 2013 Oregon
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    i guess i'm mostly just cheesed off that they don't have my favorite of their staple beers available. it also seems kinda weird to put a vintage barrel on and remove the fresh barrel, leaving you nothing to compare the aged product to. isn't that the point of aging all these beers, to see how it develops and evolves next to younger batches?
     
  38. jgrgas

    jgrgas Initiate (0) Feb 10, 2006 Oregon

    They probably have, but they'd need to invest in an entirely new bottling, as their current machine is designed to fill 750mls.
     
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  39. eatabagofbooger

    eatabagofbooger Initiate (60) Mar 27, 2009 Oregon
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    What it boils down to for me is this: their beers might be good, but they're not world class. As far as sours go, they can't compete with the Belgians. Sure Cantillon and 3 Fonteinen are getting hard to find these days, but Tilquin, Boon, and many others are easily available at a fraction of the price. I really don't see how anyone can choose a $30 bottle of Cascade over these alternatives. This used to be my thinking on all Belgian style beers, but The Commons has changed my mind. In fact, even within the realm of Portland sours, The Commons, Upright, and Breakside offer far better alternatives at a far more reasonable price (as others have pointed out). To me, Cascade is THE example of hype run amok.
     
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  40. goodbyeohio

    goodbyeohio Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2004 Oregon

    i have been both a patron and an outspoken critic, and i waver back and forth between the two. beers like manhattan nw, their rum pumpkin dealy, and bourbonic keep me going back in short spurts. back in the jongleur days, i was a regular patron. now, it's reserved for birthdays, date night, or "hey, i just won the lottery!". they are clearly marketing more to out-of-state people with a higher cost-of-living, beer tourists on vacation, rich people, wine drinkers used to paying $$$$ for bottles, or reckless spenders. they have effectively 'priced out' many of the beer geeks who enjoy the hobby because it doesn't require a king's ransom to participate. if you look deeper in to the people making decisions at cascade, (save ron, maybe), and their backgrounds in the beer world, you'll see where they're coming from $-wise. i'm personally all done (until they release XXXYYYY)
     
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