How do you rate coloration?

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  1. Snowcrash000

    Snowcrash000 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,041) Oct 4, 2017 Germany
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    Most beers will actually look quite different when in a spot with neutral light than when held up close to a light source. Often this just results in a slighty different coloration hue, but can be a lot more dramatic. A good example of this are Barley Wines or Red Ales, which can look murky dark brown, almost black when away from a light source, but clear deep amber or dark red when held up to the light. Many Brown Ales or darker beers in general can look pitch black away from a light source, but then turn deep brown or even very dark red when held up to one.

    How do you rate the appearance/coloration of beer? While holding it up to the light or in a neutral position? Is there actually a generally accepted method of judging the coloration of beer?
     
  2. LifesAnesthesia

    LifesAnesthesia Pooh-Bah (1,602) Dec 17, 2014 Virginia
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    I'll caveat this with the fact that I'm by no means an expert but I typically rate appearance based on a few things. Color, clarity, head size, visible carbonation, lacing, etc. - overall how appealing does the beer look to me. In terms of looking at these variables I definitely both look at the beer without direct light source as well as against direct light source. I wouldn't say I judge the beer's appearance only with/without direct light source, but rather a combination.

    I also tend to rate appearance higher if the beer looks as it should - for example, and not that this would ever happen, but if I'm rating a stout it would be weird it if were somehow fizzy yellow so then I would rate that example low. Whereas a stout that's deep, rich black with a medium thick tan head would get higher rates.

    As with all ratings, besides some general guidelines, it ultimately comes down to your take. How good do you think the beer looks - not only for the style but overall to you.
     
  3. Harrison8

    Harrison8 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,285) Dec 6, 2015 Missouri
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    I tend to review at home, and usually leave windows open to get natural light (never enough in the house), but I tend to base that decision after holding up the beer for a quick examination in a well lit room (preferably natural light, but otherwise mild temperature lights), and then further verified while the glass sits on a table in front of me. The photo I take for the WBYDN serves as a further check for the coloration and transparency, especially since I try to take any and all pictures in natural light.

    I don't finalize my appearance score until I see how long the head retains after taking notes on how quickly the head forms during the pour. I knock more beers for lack of head formation or retention than having an off hue or a little extra fog in the beer itself.
     
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  4. Snowcrash000

    Snowcrash000 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,041) Oct 4, 2017 Germany
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    Thank you for the detailed answers, but I'm specifically curious about coloration, since that's the only thing that really changes depending on the light. Will try to get a mod to change the title.

    With the light in my kitchen, where I do all my reviewing, a beer can sometimes look radically different just sitting on my desk than when I actually hold it up right next to my desk light. I usually use the coloration as I see it in front of the light for my reviews, as that just seems more accurate to me. But I've been wondering if there is an "accepted" method of doing it and if, maybe, I'm doing it wrong.
     
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  5. Troutbeerbum

    Troutbeerbum Initiate (0) Dec 5, 2016 Maine

    Clear- I’m hydrated and had enough.
    Yellow- I can drink a few more.
     
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  6. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    If you're asking about how to judge the "official color" of a beer on the SRM scale? I have no idea!

    But, just for me, if I am reviewing a beer, if the beer is clear or only semi-hazy (as in a pale ale to hefe), then it is normal room light, uncontrolled really, looking at the beer from the front. If the beer is opaque or so turbid as to be essentially opaque, I will look at it in normal room light and will also hold it up to my desk lamp to light it from the back. This is just to get something other than "black" or "muddy" for describing the color.

    The only exception to all of this are NEIPAs and any beer from TG. In those cases, I will take a photo of the beer and then photoshop it until it is bright iridescent orange, and then describe that color as "juicy"! :stuck_out_tongue:
     
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  7. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    Well lit room, but not close in front of the light

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  8. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    Pretty easy for me as 90% of the time it's a stout. So - I rate them light black, black, or dark black. Rarely dark brown. Other beers I just give my first impression.
     
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  9. TonyLema1

    TonyLema1 Pooh-Bah (2,890) Nov 19, 2008 South Carolina
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    I pretty much rate the look of most beers as 4/5
     
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  10. teromous

    teromous Grand Pooh-Bah (3,180) Mar 21, 2010 Virginia
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    If you aren't taking a scientific measurement then you have to trust your eye and your experience with the style. When it looks odd, you will know. When it looks world class, you will know. If you can't satisfactorily judge the clarity or color of a beer within seconds then it doesn't deserve your criticism. You can spend minutes or hours reveling in a beautiful glass and that is certainly worth the extra time and effort for words. As to the specifics of lighting, you should try your best to view beers in the same lighting conditions as others you have seen before.
     
  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    There is a standard/definition for measuring beer color (i.e., ASBC Beer Color) as defined by the American Society of Brewing Chemists (ASBC). You can read more here:

    https://measuretruecolor.hunterlab.com/2016/06/07/asbc-beer-color-and-turbidity/

    For a layperson such as yourself (and me) this may not ‘translate’ to the bigger question you are asking – I am not aware of any organization that defines proper lighting conditions for making an ‘eyeball’ determination of beer color.

    Cheers!
     
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  12. mnrider

    mnrider Savant (1,147) May 26, 2009 Connecticut

    I usually rate beer at the midnight hour in a room lit only by candles
     
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  13. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    This is a great and artful query. It depends on how observant one may be. Looking across a west-angled late afternoon bar, sun fading, I've seen beer color change on many occasions.
     
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  14. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Beers can look different under different conditions (and at different volumes), but the same is true for how they taste.
     
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  15. superspak

    superspak Grand High Pooh-Bah (10,927) May 5, 2010 North Carolina
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    SRM is a judgement of color with a 1 cm thickness of liquid. If you use any drinking vessel other than a tall thin lager glass, it will be wrong. I have a very bright desk lamp that I use to evaluate color, and it definitely helps give the true appearance in the glass as far as clarity and other factors.
     
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  16. beer_beer

    beer_beer Pooh-Bah (2,306) Feb 13, 2018 Finland
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    Think I'll try to combine non-direct and direct light, and of course daylight of different shades. The one centimeter should be possible to achieve if you look a bit from under or above the surface. Then try to make some kind of conclusion...no effort is too much for getting this right!
     
  17. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    I definitely hold the beer up to the light. Demonstrates the best nuance of penumbra that way.
     
  18. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    If people want to be really picky, they should also realize that different lights have different color temperatures - which means that a beer might look like a very different color in sunlight vs tungsten light vs LED vs fluorescent etc. People have already touched upon this, but I figured I’d be more explicit.

    Regarding the SRM chart, as something that’s actually used for measuring, it’s ridiculous how different the various online versions are. Rulers are almost worthless if they all use different sizes for an inch.
     
  19. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    I just hold it up to the window and describe what I see.
     
  20. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    That variability of color itself is quite likely not in the charts themselves but in such things as how they are translated on to the online source by some other computer and/or how your own computer is calibrated and translates things into color on the screen of your machine.
     
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