How long in plastic fermentor before leeching/off-flavors?

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  1. Mongrel

    Mongrel Initiate (0) Feb 14, 2013 Maryland

    Hi all,

    I'm planning to brew my first ever wild/sour beer -- a saison with Sofie dregs that should ring in around 6.5% ABV. I don't want to invest in an all-out sour brewing setup just yet, so I'm thinking about just picking up another plastic fermentor bucket or two.

    My question is, since Brett beers are supposed to age out for quite a while, how long can I ferment and then age the beer in plastic buckets before I have to start worrying about leeching and off-flavors?
     
  2. ericj551

    ericj551 Pooh-Bah (1,638) Apr 29, 2004 Canada (AB)
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    I can't give you an exact time, but if you want the beer to sit for a long period of time, I would definitely recommend glass. It's also non-porous, so you can clean it and use it for non-sour beer.
     
  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    It is not a good idea to use a plastic bucket for long term storage/aging since it is oxygen permeable. The issue will not be leeching but your beer will get oxidized.

    You should use an oxygen impermeable vessel for long term aging (e.g., a Better Bottle or glass carboy).

    Cheers!
     
  4. bgjohnston

    bgjohnston Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2009 Connecticut

    I would get the Better Bottle instead of the bucket/lid in this case. Either that, or glass. You might be able to find used carboys on Craigslist in your area if cost is the issue.
     
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  5. Mongrel

    Mongrel Initiate (0) Feb 14, 2013 Maryland

    Yeah, I guess I should have included oxidation in my list of concerns as well. I was just hoping to avoid buying another carboy, but I'll probably bite the bullet.

    How long could you age a beer like this in a Better Bottle without similar concerns?
     
  6. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    As long as you want. I have an Oud Bruin in a 5 gallon right now that I brewed almost 1 year ago, no oxidation issues. My understanding is that Better Bottles are about the same as glass when it comes to permiability. Most of the oxygen exposure is from the rubber bung, dried out airlocks, and getting into the beer for sampling.
     
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  7. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    I can second this experience with my lambic inspired beer I have going. Zero oxidation or off flavors associated with bugs+oxygen. Nothing acetic, and this is with the airlock drying out twice during that span.
     
  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    As was posted: for a very long time.

    If you choose to purchase a Better Bottle for your aging I would suggest that you obtain a dry lock closure as well; that will yield the ultimate oxygen impermeability.

    Cheers!
     
  9. JrGtr

    JrGtr Pooh-Bah (1,775) Apr 13, 2006 Massachusetts
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    This is the one time I would specifically recommend a glass carboy.
    First, oxygen permeability is virtually nil through the walls, and then comes to being careful about sealing the top to keep out air. Fortunately, CO2 is heavier than air mixture, and will blanket the beer if the airlock should go dry for a little while.
    Also, glass you can sanitize out and reuse with regular beers; I wouldn't trust even a brand new plastic bucket or carboy from being contaminated. Those little buggers can hide out in tiny scratches and will sour anything else you put in it.
    Most other times I would say that plastic better bottles have a lot of upsides to them and may be worth using, but like I said, a sour I would recommend glass.
     
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