How long is too long in the primary?

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  1. dmvanmeveren

    dmvanmeveren Initiate (0) Apr 10, 2014 South Dakota

    Hey guys.

    About three and a half ago, I brewed a giant Rye Imperial Stout (approximated to clock out at ~12% ABV).

    I did primary fermentation for three days in a plastic bucket with two 1-liter German ale starters, but then decided I wanted a better fermenter; so I bought a 5-gallon glass carboy, racked from the plastic bucket into the glass carboy, and pitched an extra packet of Irish Ale yeast just to be careful.

    The glass carboy has been sitting in my parent's basement with a residual temperature of ~66 degrees for the past three weeks.* I'm in college and don't have the chance to make the two-hour trip to my parent's house to bottle my brew, so I'm wondering how long is too long for primary (kind of secondary, since technically I did rack into a second fermenter) fermentation?


    In other words, for a beer brewed with a 17 pound grain bill (I don't have the exact OG on hand at the moment) how long can the yeast last before they begin to die and give off flavors?

    Thanks for all of your inexhaustible knowledge.




    *Also note, I wasn't able to see how vigorous the fermentation was or when the air lock stopped bubbling.
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,055) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    There are too many variables to answer this question definitively. But in general, I wouldn't worry about a few weeks. Once you're into a couple months or more is when I would start to get a little nervous.
     
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  3. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    I hope I never have to find out this answer! I typically leave my big beers on the yeast for four weeks then bottle. The longest I have waited is five with no issues. I have heard stories of longer fermentation's-conditioning but am not inclined to try it. Take care.
     
  4. JrGtr

    JrGtr Pooh-Bah (1,763) Apr 13, 2006 Massachusetts
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    What VikeMan said. I personally leave all my beers in primary for at least 3 wqeeks, depending on when I get around to checking on them.
    For a big beer, and you didn't mention the OG on it, more is usually better, first to give the yeast time to do their thing, then clean up after themselves, but also to let the flavors of the beer meld and get together.
    Generally, we homebrewers don't really have to worry about autolysis (yeast dying and giving off those off flavors - and it's not really them dying - but someone else can explain that better than me.)
    It's more the big commercial brewers, who have tons (literally) of pressure pushing down on the yeast cake that have to worry about that sort of thing.
     
  5. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,946) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    4-6 weeks is almost certainly not a problem. I would make plans to bottle it before 8 weeks just to be safe.
     
  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,363) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    According to @honkey, yeast autolysis in homebrewing happens fairly quickly. Below is a past thread exchange I had with him:

    JackHorzempa said:

    At the scale/dimensions of homebrewing autolysis takes many months; a week or two of bulk conditioning will result in zero signs of autolysis.

    Cheers!

    honkey replied:

    Actually, that is not entirely true. Yeast will die pretty rapidly following fermentation. A bucket with co2 and ethanol is not a very friendly environment for yeast when there are no more nutrients to consume. I frequently look at my small batch yeast under a microscope at work and I have found that to be the case. The autolysis is not showing up in the taste, but as the yeast dies, the pH of the beer rises. The higher pH will affect bottled beers that you might want to age, leading to faster spoiling. This is not a concern for most brewers, but it is not wise to tell someone to leave beer on a yeast cake for three weeks without describing the potential risks as well. That said, if the beer is being drank fresh, I would just go ahead and cold crash it, save the yeast, and reuse. I also wouldn't reuse yeast that has sat in a fermenter for three weeks at fermentation temps... Even if the viability is still ok (which it probably wouldn't be), the vitality will be low.
     
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  7. Peter_Wolfe

    Peter_Wolfe Initiate (0) Jul 5, 2013 Oregon

    You'll start seeing low level autolysis after about 3 weeks, IF 1) you started with healthy yeast, and 2) the fermentation temp was kept low (68F or under the whole time). If you start with unhealthy yeast or heat stress it, it'll happen sooner. It takes 6-8 weeks to start seeing wholesale autolysis that gives off the soy sauce flavor if you never transfer off of primary. In a big dark beers (especially stouts), this flavor is pretty effectively masked until it gets really bad, but it shows up like crazy in pale ales.

    As they autolyze, the yeast release enzymes, lipids, and metal cations that all have a negative effect on flavor. Best way to forestall this if you know it's gonna be a while until you get to it is to cold crash it. The yeast will not autolyze for a very long time if you cool it down to 34-36 (cool fridge temps). You could have your parents throw the carboy in a fridge if they have room and you'll have some peace of mind.
     
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  8. StrawbzT5

    StrawbzT5 Initiate (0) Mar 10, 2015 Iowa

    Once again I've learned more in one post from @Peter_Wolfe than I could have scouring out-dated and anecdotal "well this worked for me" threads out there. It's BAs like @Peter_Wolfe @VikeMan @JackHorzempa (and many more, of course) that make this community invaluable. Your time and experience doesn't go unnoticed or unappreciated. Thanks, fellas!

    Phil
     
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