How Many Kettles Do You Need?

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  1. Dschiller

    Dschiller Initiate (0) Dec 30, 2014 California

    I made my first 1 gallon batch today and I used 3 pots: 1 to boil the mash, 1 to boil the wort, and 1 for pouring hot water over the grains to create the wort. Maybe I did things wrong, but now I'm trying to figure out how many 10 gallon kettles I need to start making 5 gallon batches. It seems I need AT LEAST 2, right, and perhaps 1 can just be a plain kettle with no spigot (to boil the mash)? A bottling bucket can be used for the 3rd pot (?). Sorry for such a newbie question.
     
  2. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    Well, you don't boil the mash. You only boil the wort.

    Realistically, you need one 8-10 gallon pot to boil the wort. Then you need something to mash the grains in, many use a plastic cooler for this, but you can also use a pot with a false bottom and spigot. It helps to have a second large pot (or third if you're using a pot for your mash) to heat your sparge water...which is the water you add after draining your mash-tun (cooler or pot full of grain) to extract more of the sugars.

    It sounds like you need to give this a read:

    http://www.howtobrew.com/section3/index.html
     
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  3. InVinoVeritas

    InVinoVeritas Initiate (0) Apr 16, 2012 Wisconsin

    Many do a three vessel system, which is a hot liquor tank, mash tun, and boil kettle. The boil kettle as namesake would indicate is the only one that has to be a kettle. As for the hot liquor tank and mash tun, it's to personal preference if you want the ability to heat either the mash or the reserve hot liquor directly. You'll see heating directly referred to as simply a direct fire system. The trade off of direct fire is lesser insulation for the ability to heat of the fly.
     
  4. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    I use 3, but you could probably get away with using 2 or even 1.

    I use 2 3 gal pots to heat strike water and sparge water on my stove. I could do this in 1 pot, but it would take forever. I have another pot for boiling.

    If you want to keep it all in 1 pot you could do BiAB
     
  5. FeDUBBELFIST

    FeDUBBELFIST Pooh-Bah (1,765) Oct 31, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I have two 20 gallon kettles. One is my mash tun with false bottom and ball valve. The other starts the brew day as my HLT and then turns into my boil kettle after the sparge. For another $600 I could add another 20 gallon kettle and a floor burner, but it is not worth the investment IMO.
     
  6. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    I use four, typically. One for mash liquor (6 gal), one for sparge liquor (5 gal) (typically I treat these two liquors differently and take care of this the night before), one for my mash tun (7 gal), and one for my brew kettle (15 gal). Three would suffice as I could easily use the same kettle for the mash and sparge, but I have both kettles as the 6 gallon was formerly used as a boil kettle (back in my less-than-full-wort-boil days).
     
  7. Dschiller

    Dschiller Initiate (0) Dec 30, 2014 California

    Great info. Thanks! Tomorrow I'm going to make a mash tun out of a 10 gallon Rubbermaid cooler. Then I'll buy a boiling kettle with a spigot and a second flat wall kettle for sparge water. I'll have to save some $ for the inevitable divorce after my wife sees all these things. She got me a little 1 gallon kit for X-Mas, so really it's her fault.
     
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  8. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    I have one 15 gallon pot. I heat my mash water then mash in a cooler. During the mash I heat what could be considered sparge water, but I don't sparge, I just add that water to the cooler after ~60 mins then drain back into the now empty pot for the boil. By not sparging, I probably (definitely?) lose some efficiency, but not enough to make me go buy another 15 gallon pot.
     
  9. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Maybe I'm missing something, but I always only needed one kettle when I was brewing extract?

    Now, with all grain, I could see the need for more, if you have direct fired single tier system, but even with my janky set up, I have one kettle, and two coolers. Heat up mash water, put in mash tun, add grain, mash it. Then heat up my sparge water, put it in my HLT cooler, and I've got an empty kettle to collect my runnings and start my boil.
     
  10. devildogbrewing

    devildogbrewing Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2014 Michigan

    I would have a hard time only using 1 kettle for all grain. you can't sparge into a boil kettle without another kettle right? Am I missing something?
     
  11. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Sure you can, if you have a mash/lauter tun that is not a kettle. And even if you're fly sparging, you can feed the sparge water from a hot liquor tank that's not a kettle.
     
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  12. devildogbrewing

    devildogbrewing Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2014 Michigan

    thanks Vikeman, I was only thinking about it in terms of what I use. I use the low budget tools I can, but my strike water comes from my original kettle I used for extract brews (again keeping it cheap)
     
  13. phredk

    phredk Initiate (0) Jun 5, 2011 Missouri

    It depends what you are calling a kettle. I have one 25 Gallon SS kettle with a 1/2" ball valve and a thermometer in it.
    I use it to bring my mash water up to temperature, then drain it into my mash tun which is a 10 gallon Igloo cooler. I have a 5 gallon Igloo cooler for my sparge water (which is a bit too small) that I fill with the water remaining in my kettle. when done mashing, I drain the wort into a bucket then pour it into my kettle to boil. I usually boiler 8 gallons of wort for a 6.5 gallon batch.

    I put plastic valves in the coolers and made a false bottom and sparger out if 1/2" CPVC pipe. So I say I use one kettle, two coolers and a bucket.
     
  14. ventura78

    ventura78 Pundit (972) Nov 22, 2003 Massachusetts

    I use 3. A 40 gallon for the mash water. A 20 gallon for the sparge and a 10 for cleaning water. After the 40 gallon is done its sparge duty, it later becomes the boil kettle. ( 20 gallon batch )
     
  15. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    You only need one pot . . . sometimes you want more :slight_smile::

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  16. jaredmull

    jaredmull Aspirant (263) Dec 26, 2013 Washington

    I use a single 50L Keggle with sight glass, thermometer and ball valve to brew using my BIAB system. Works great! I don't see the need to invest in other equipment (hot liquor tank or mash tun) as long as I'm doing 5 gallon batches.
     
  17. JrGtr

    JrGtr Pooh-Bah (1,775) Apr 13, 2006 Massachusetts
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    I own 4 kettles - a 16qt graniteware I mostly used when brewing extract, a 30qt aluminum that came with my burner, a 33qt Graniteware and an ~ 20gallon one of mystery metal I got at a yard sale.
    Typically I use the 30 qt to heat my strike water and then spare water, (I mash in a 48 QT converted cooler) and boil in the 33qt.
     
  18. bgjohnston

    bgjohnston Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2009 Connecticut

    Three containers is about right. At least two need to be capable of heating/boiling water, but they don't all need to be the same size. Your mash/sparge water kettle can be 1/2 the size of the boil kettle, and a plastic cooler can serve as a mash tun.

    But we are talking minimums, right? There are many standard recommendations that go above and beyond, to say nothing of potential scalability.
     
  19. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    Once you go all grain. Three or four vessels.
    What other people have said. Mash tun, boil kettle and hot liquor tank.
    Four is nice cos then you get into the sophisti-ma-cated brews and do decoctions, etc.
    Around these parts that breaks down to two rubbermaids, and two kettles.
     
  20. Dschiller

    Dschiller Initiate (0) Dec 30, 2014 California

    Thanks again for the replies. I ended up with a Spikebrewing 10 gallon boil kettle with ball valve, thermometer, and sight glass; a 5 gallon kettle without a ball valve (which I suppose is my HLT for sparging); and I had fun making a MT out of a 10 gallon Rubbermaid cooler. Since my boil kettle has the built-in thermometer, I'm thinking I should use that for the strike water (or do I not do that because it's easier to work with a smaller kettle?). I'm looking forward to making my first 5 gallon batch after my birthday this week. Thanks to this forum and howtobrew.com, I'm somewhat confident I'll do things right the first time.
     
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