How many open ferment?

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  1. reeverbythespeak

    reeverbythespeak Initiate (0) Apr 22, 2009 Alabama

    Does anyone know how many breweries in the U.S. use open fermentation in their brewing process?
     
  2. mcbeerbrew

    mcbeerbrew Crusader (429) Feb 9, 2011 California

    I believe right now its just Allagash. They built this Belgian style open fermentor called a cool-ship.
     
  3. leedorham

    leedorham Initiate (0) Apr 27, 2006 Washington

    Ones I know of are off the top of my head are Sierra Nevada (only for certain beers), Jolly Pumpkin, Anchor, and Ommegang. A ton of smaller ones do also. Mostly brewpub scale operations.
     
  4. BeerShman

    BeerShman Zealot (615) Dec 14, 2010 California

    If I recall, Russian river already does or will be? I remember reading they were getting a coolship?
     
  5. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    Don't confuse "open fermentation" as being solely a coolship ("spontaneous fermentation") thing. For instance, many brewers who use Ringwood yeast strains have open fermentation vessels.
     
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  6. maltmaster420

    maltmaster420 Initiate (0) Aug 17, 2005 Oregon

    You can add Upright to the list. Their open fermenters are in a "positive pressure" room to keep undesirable bugs out, and they have a nice window and mirror system so people can see them.

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  7. jeffwilliams11

    jeffwilliams11 Initiate (0) May 22, 2007 Michigan

    Yup, Arcadia.
     
  8. markasparov

    markasparov Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2007 District of Columbia

    I think Shipyard's open fermentation, and based on what I remember from footage at Anchor's brewery in some beer documentary or other, they may be open also.
     
  9. patto1ro

    patto1ro Pooh-Bah (2,084) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    A coolship isn't a fermenter, it's a device for cooling wort. As the name implies. You'd be crazy to try fermenting in one as the wort is only inches deep.
     
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  10. joshodonn

    joshodonn Initiate (0) Jan 21, 2011 Florida

    Saint Somewhere does some stuff in open fermenters...
     
  11. immobilisme

    immobilisme Initiate (0) Nov 8, 2005 Illinois

    New Glarus for their R&D series if I remember correctly.
     
  12. mcbeerbrew

    mcbeerbrew Crusader (429) Feb 9, 2011 California

    Learn something cool everyday.
     
  13. meerkat2

    meerkat2 Initiate (0) Aug 27, 2007 Florida

    This is where the yeast is introduced though, right? What comes next, it goes from the coolship into fermentation vats? Would those be open too? Do they still try to introduce other yeasts as well? The process intrigues me but I'm completely ignorant about it.
     
  14. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Here's the description of what comes next at Allagash.

    http://www.allagash.com/beer/coolship/

    Done basically the same way as they do it at Cantillon.
     
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  15. patto1ro

    patto1ro Pooh-Bah (2,084) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    If you're doing spontaneous fermentation, yes, this is where the yeasts and whatever gets into the beer. Otherwise it's just the quickest way to cool wort without any sort of heat exchanger or refrigeration. Even after the introduction of refrigerators in the 19th century, British breweries kept their coolships because a while load of gunk fell out while the wort was in them. Being very shallow, sediment settled more quickly.

    In spontaneous fermentation, you can do whatever you want once you've got all the wild loveliness into the wort, open or closed ferment. I don't actually know what lamic breweries do. My guess would be that the big commercial ones like Belle use closed ones.

    On a side note, every single brewery I've been to in Franconia open ferments. Even Schneider (not actually in Franconia) open ferments. As does Hydes in Manchester.
     
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  16. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Yeah - many US brewers, even after Repeal, still used coolships, as well- sort of as "pre-coolers" before the beer went to Baudelot or other types of wort coolers. Ballantine used one and Schaefer was still using one at the brewery now owned by Boston Beer Co. when it was built in the 1970's and Coors (below) claimed they built the only "solid copper" coolship in the world in an ad in the mid-1930's.

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  17. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    The F & M Schaefer Brewing Co. uses open fermenters at their Brooklyn brewery (and aren't quite so damn fussy as some of these "craft" breweries when it comes to visitors, either).
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    Edit- oh, damn, I guess they're closed now, huh? Nevermind.​
     
  18. mindfuldave

    mindfuldave Savant (1,089) Mar 22, 2011 New Jersey

    Troegs has also started doing this with their Dreamweaver
     
  19. crossovert

    crossovert Initiate (0) Mar 29, 2009 Illinois

    NG does it for a variety of their beers, mainly the wheat beers.
     
  20. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    IIRC, from taking the tour at Ommegang, they couldn't actually have "open" fermentation. The FDA (?) made them put the open fermenter in a closed room for sanitation reasons. Am I misremembering (Ala Roger Clemens), or have these other breweries found a way around the rules?
     
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