How much milk sugar to use?

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  1. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
    Pooh-Bah

    I plan to brew a coffee and chocolate stout @7%. I want to add some milk sugar for just a touch of sweetness. The recipe is for 5.5 gallons into the fermenter. This is the first time using milk sugar so I don't know much about it. The milk stout recipes I have looked at usually use 1 lb. I was thinking 1/2 lb might do the trick. The ideal flavor profile will be coffee forward with chocolate and a touch of sweetness on the back end.

    I will be adding cocoa nibs in the secondary and most likely cold pressed coffe in the secondary as well.

    Thoughts? Is .5 lbs too much too little?
     
  2. psnydez86

    psnydez86 Initiate (0) Jan 4, 2012 Pennsylvania

    I think 1/2 lb would be subtle but might be nice for what you are shooting for. Lactose doesn't really add any sweetness. It adds more of a creaminess/fuller body that can yield a perception of sweetness tho. I used 1 pound in a coffee milk stout and it was a little too much for me.

    I would start at a 1/2 lb and see how that goes.


    Or I have heard of guys dosing the keg with lactose in increments until they reach a desired level of Lactoseness. I imagine those people would dissolve the lactose with water and add cooled dissolved solution to the keg.
     
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  3. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    I could go 1/2 lb and when I think it's about ready to bottle add more if needed. Bottling this one as I only have 1 keg which I am using for ipas and like beers.

    P.s. Your avatar makes me laugh.
     
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  4. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Well... I have a sweet stout right now that used about 1.4 lbs lactose in a 5 gallon batch. It added substantial sweetness. If you haven't already, try a teaspoon of dry lactose and let it dissolve in your mouth. It's a bit sweet. Not table sugar sweet, but sweet.
     
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  5. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    Lactose is sweet. Just less sweet than other sugars.

    For 5 gallons, a half pound of lactose rounds things out just a little bit and is barely detectable. 3/4 pound is a good amount. A whole pound gives a very full palate, and any more than that is just downright gooey. Others have disagreed with me in the past. That's fine, they have a right to be wrong. :grinning:
     
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  6. psnydez86

    psnydez86 Initiate (0) Jan 4, 2012 Pennsylvania

    Vike was it you that added lactose as needed(wanted) to keg?? If so what was your process for that?
     
  7. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Not me. But if I were going to, I'd boil it in the smallest volume of water that would dissolve it.
     
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  8. psnydez86

    psnydez86 Initiate (0) Jan 4, 2012 Pennsylvania

    I think I would compare adding lactose to beer as to adding half and half to coffee.... it doesn't make the coffee necessarily "sweet"... but it adds a creamyness or roundness?? that when added in conjunction with sugar does make it taste sweeter.

    I don't know WTF i just said.... but I feel as if lactose just adds a perception of sweetness......IMHO of course.
     
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  9. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    I am picking up what you're throwing down.
     
  10. machalel

    machalel Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2012 Australia

    As a point of reference, I brewed a partial-mash coffee-chocolate milk porter a couple of years ago that was a tad too sweet. The amount I added works out to be about 17g/L (~0.14 lbs/gal). Whether or not the sweetness was due to the lactose (in combination with the base & crystal malts), I'm not sure, but my gut feeling is that I added just a little bit too much of both Lactose & Crystal.

    Here are the stats:
    OG 1.067
    FG 1.018
    Est IBU: 30

    33% Maris Otter
    25% LME Amber (Briess)
    17% Munich I
    8% Crystal, Medium
    7% Chocolate Malt
    4% Milk Sugar (Lactose)
    3% Oats, Flaked
    2% Raw Sugar (Sucrose)

    Cocoa Powder
    Coffee (Espresso shots)
    Vanilla Bean
     
  11. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I used 1lb in a 5 gallon batch. With cocoa nibs towards the end of primary. Good stuff.
     
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  12. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    What's the abv and how many ozs of nibs?
     
  13. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    Lactose is about 6.25x less sweet than sucrose, so adding a lb would be like adding around 2.5oz of table sugar

    To put it another way, it's like adding one cube of sugar to 35oz, so not very sweet
     
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  14. StupidlyBrave

    StupidlyBrave Zealot (507) Jan 2, 2009 Pennsylvania

    That is what I did and it turned out great. Specifically, 1lb lactose in the last 10 min of boil. 6oz roasted Cacao Nibs (Sharffen berger) in a vodka tincture for about a week, then added to fermenter just prior to bottling.
     
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  15. Supergenious

    Supergenious Maven (1,273) May 9, 2011 Michigan

    IMHO - I would skip the lactose (not a fan). Instead mash hot, use a lower attenuative yeast, and add 1-2 lbs of flaked oats. That should give you plenty of sweetness and smooth mouthfeel. To each their own though. Good luck!
     
  16. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    It was an OG of 1.050 or so. Not sure of abv but could check if you think it more informative. 4 oz nibs for I think 2 weeks. I did not seem to have head retention issues reported by others who use nibs.
     
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  17. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
    Pooh-Bah

    No need to check. I was just curious.
     
  18. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    1/2# of lactose is a good starting amount. I prefer zero. Others prefer more than a pound.

    4oz of nibs is the minimum. 8oz isn't too much. It depends how chocolately you want it to be. I like to use nibs plus some bakers chocolate. Head retention isn't something I care about.
     
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  19. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    I was thinking of a little bakers in the boil then nibs in the secondary. I am not certain about the milk sugar now. When I add the lactose to the recipe it bumps the FG to 1.026, with a starting OG of 1.080.

    Might have to try it without the sugar first since I've haven't brewed this recipe before.
     
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  20. drink1121

    drink1121 Initiate (0) Mar 23, 2009 California

    it does that because the lactose isnt fermentable with brewer's yeast. this results in an increase in the FG and a thicker mouthfeel.
     
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