How much oats for IPA / DIPA?

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  1. InVinoVeritas

    InVinoVeritas Initiate (0) Apr 16, 2012 Wisconsin

    Last night I had Lagunitas Bitter Oats and absolutely loved the mouthfeel; it seemed a good amount more than Surly Abrasive. For those that have incorporated a large dose of oats into their IPAs, what percent of grain bill are you adding? 20%? I’d like for my next IPA brew to have the creamy mouthfeel of Bitter Oats. Delicious for those that haven’t tried it!!!
     
  2. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    20% definitely provides plenty of body. IMO, it's great for a stout and too much for an IPA. You might find it to be just right for what you want to accomplish. Since I haven't had the Lagunitas beer, I don't know what you want to emulate.

    Oats are more oily and slick than creamy to me.
     
  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    @psnydez86 has posted about Tired Hands Hop Hands (an APA):

    "And flaked oats is certainly key to some of tired hands hoppy stuff. Their house IPA Hop Hands is rumored to be 88% pale malt and 12% flaked oats."

    Maybe something like 10-15% Flaked Oats would be a good target for an IPA?

    Cheers!
     
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  4. psnydez86

    psnydez86 Initiate (0) Jan 4, 2012 Pennsylvania

    15-18% flaked oats is my sweet spot for IPA's.
     
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  5. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    Do you use any wheat malt as well or just flaked oats?
     
  6. JCastle

    JCastle Initiate (0) Aug 20, 2014 Germany

    My preference is adding about 8% each of white wheat and oats. Otherwise I aim for about 15% oats (if skipping the wheat).
     
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  7. psnydez86

    psnydez86 Initiate (0) Jan 4, 2012 Pennsylvania

    Usually depends on yeast or what I'm going for.

    I'll use some wheat if I back the oats down to around 10%.
     
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  8. AlHounos

    AlHounos Initiate (0) Nov 3, 2015 California

    I have used 10% a few times and liked it. I think I'll try 15% next time though.
     
  9. Jesse14

    Jesse14 Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2011 Massachusetts

    I use a some variation of malted wheat or malted oats at around 10%. I usually have white wheat in my IPA's to anywhere from 5-10%. Like the results so far.
     
  10. mtanoury74

    mtanoury74 Initiate (0) Aug 31, 2009 Kentucky

    Was going to brew the bill below this weekend. I've been doing some research on how to mimic something along the lines of Sip of Sunshine, Julius, etc. with the creamy mouthfeel and smooth, juicy late addition hop bomb. This is where I netted out as far as Oats/Wheat factoring in.

    Any feedback would be greatly appreciated - this is only my 3rd all grain batch (after 6 years of extract/partial mash) so still trying to figure it all out.

    10 lb Belgian - Pale Ale 64.5%
    2 lb German - Vienna 12.9%
    1.5 lb Flaked Oats 9.7%
    1 lb Flaked Wheat 6.5%
    1 lb Turbinado 6.5%
    15.5 lb Total

    In case interested in the rest...

    Amount Variety Type AA Use Time IBU
    1 oz Columbus Pellet 15 Boil 60 min 49.02
    1 oz Citra Pellet 11 Boil 5 min 7.17
    2 oz citra Pellet 11 Boil 1 min 3.1
    3 oz citra Pellet 11 Whirlpool at 180 °F 30 min
    2 oz citra Pellet 11 Dry Hop 4 days

    Yeast: GigaYeast Vermont IPA
     
  11. JCastle

    JCastle Initiate (0) Aug 20, 2014 Germany

    Looks good to me but I'd go higher on the dry hop. My Congress Street clone had 6oz of dry hop and came out really juicy.

    Edit: on second thought, I had much less than you in the whirlpool so you might be ok.
     
  12. AlHounos

    AlHounos Initiate (0) Nov 3, 2015 California

    It seems like you're fighting yourself using sugar and oats together... One dries and thins a beer, while the other bulks it up.
    Also, I think dry hop should always take priority in a IPA, whirlpool is good but it can't give you that fresh wallop of hop that dry hoping does. If I was working with 8 ounces of citra, I'd do 2 ounces at 0, 2 ounces at 180(stand for 30 or 45 min), and 4 ounces dry hop. Or maybe even 3 in whirlpool and 5 in dry. That ratio is something I'm interested in too.
     
  13. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    I just brewed and kegged an Oatmeal IPA with 18% oats and 82% Pearl Malt. It is still carbonating/conditioning but I have high hopes for this one. I should be able to report back in a week or two as to how it is.
     
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  14. mtanoury74

    mtanoury74 Initiate (0) Aug 31, 2009 Kentucky

    Thanks for the feedback on the sugar. I didn't think of it like that. I know I saw that on some NE IPA clone recipe somewhere, but obviously doesn't mean it's necessarily a good idea. Will have to do some more research on that.

    I bought two more ounces of Citra about an hour ago. Think I'll reevaluate the closing stretch and up the dry hop some more. I've never done whirlpool so was interested to see how this compared to my last IPA which was 5oz in dry hop.
     
  15. InVinoVeritas

    InVinoVeritas Initiate (0) Apr 16, 2012 Wisconsin

    Thanks all for the input.

    @OddNotion please do report back.
     
  16. InVinoVeritas

    InVinoVeritas Initiate (0) Apr 16, 2012 Wisconsin

    Thought of one extra question. What kind of FG are you guys getting, low 1.020s?
     
  17. Jesse14

    Jesse14 Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2011 Massachusetts

    I don't think you ever want an IPA or IIPA over 1.020. For an IPA I like it between 1.010 and 1.013 max if doing something juicy. For a IIPA I like to be around 1.013 to 1.016 max. Depends though what you are going for.
     
  18. LuskusDelph

    LuskusDelph Initiate (0) May 1, 2008 New Jersey

    I always shoot for an FG no lower than 1.015 for most of my brews, and around 1.012 for my traditional style IPA (which I always age for a full 8-12 months).
    Most of my brews (again, including the IPA) contain around 7% each of white wheat malt and flaked oats (I use instant or quick oats from the supermarket or dollar store).
    The IPA also usually has around 10% of either supermarket corn grits (Ralston or Quaker "instant") or flaked corn 'poha' (purchased at one of the many Indo/**** grocery stores here in central NJ).
     
  19. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I go 10 to 15 percent on my ipas for oats or wheat.
     
  20. InVinoVeritas

    InVinoVeritas Initiate (0) Apr 16, 2012 Wisconsin

    I agree, for most of my non-oats IPAs I like them dry around 1.010 to 1.012. However, I also agree with @AlHounos that adding simple sugars to dry out and oats are fighting one another. I think a high % oats bill IPA is a style buster and therefore needs to be thought about from a different perspective. With a 15% + oats bill, I really can't see getting down much lower than 1.016 / 1.018ish.
     
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