How should we handle open trades with partial feedback?

@Todd how many BA traders are there?

 

From mid Jan to mid Match last winter I asked people to withhold shipping due to extremely cold temps. The possibility of weather delays was discussed & agreed to prior to committing to trade. I was able to get out all but one of my boxes within a couple weeks because I had the advantage of only needing safe temps on Mon/Tues to get mine safely out of Iowa & into warmer climes.

Another trade actually went back to Dec because he couldn't get the beers until Jan which was agreed to.

In some cases it was ~90 days (& 90+ in one case) before I received the agreed upon beer. When safe temps finally arrived some people had important things going on in their lives which trumped shipping my box. That was both fair & reasonable. From the beginning it was understood that patience might be required.

I'm unwilling to ever leave fb prior to receiving the agreed upon beer (DuH). I'm also not willing to be dinged or have a tp dinged because of unavoidable delays which were understood & agreed to. In this case should we proceed without using the system? That seems like a bad idea but setting oneself & others up to get dinged doesn't seem ideal either.

I'd prefer an option where the person carrying the hanging fb can choose to delete it after a set time. That person knows best if it's still a trade in progress or simply someone who neglected to leave fb.

Gotta say, it's not a perfect system. It probably never will be, but it's getting better all the time thanks to considerable thought & effort on the part of BA staff.

 

Presumably in those circumstances though you can agree with your partner not to put feedback in until both packages are received? Then, the worst that happens is the old trade expires and you enter a new one. Not perfect, but presumably you are only doing these sorts of trades with stand up people who will hold off on feedback and accept the new trade? Obviously not ideal but a potential work around.

 

I'm not sure, but isn't there a simple solution to this in that you agree neither trader leaves feedback until the entire trade is completed.?

Edit. Missed the post above. At least I'm not a complete idiot in thinking this, lol

 

Great minds... great minds

 

I think trades drop off after 90 days if neither person has left fb. Re-requesting the trade works only if everything goes well. Anyone fucking up is unlikely to agree to that.

 

That could be right, but its my understanding they drop off after 90 days if in a pending status, not if both people accepted

 

@TheVicster According to the updated rules, the change has been implemented now for 60 days. Any trades open (this means both accepted) after 60 days with no feedback left from either party are purged.

http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/beer-trading-feedback-system-explained.185895/

 

Another twist no one is thinking about with partial feedback. I have an open trade now that was partially filled awhile ago(still waiting on one bottle as agreed upon). So I'm not leaving feedback yet because the trade isn't done. He has left feedback because i sent my bottles. But I think any system that penalizes someone in my situation isn't very fair. It will be past 60 days by the time i receive my last bottle and I can then comfortably add feedback.

 

One suggested tweak: If the feedback that BA#1 left for BA#2 was Bad, just close the trade without replacing that feedback. More important to know that BA#2 failed to send beer than that they failed to leave feedback.

 

I am late to the game on this one.

I now have 1 delinquent status and about to get my second.

The first is because we locked in a trade, but he "dropped" the bottle that he was going to send me, so we are holding off on sending until he can get another bottle of interest from the same brewery. That brewery has not put any new bottles out in 2 months, so the trade is still open. Now that is delinquent.

The second delinquent I am about to get is from a trade where I sent him my box, and he is waiting until a new batch of a certain beer comes out because the beer kicked when he went to get a growler fill of it and it was the last keg at the brewery. (the new batch should be out VERY SOON) The trade is still open.

Can I please just keep these trades open? They will be closed in the next 2 months for sure.

 

I must be blind...I keep looking but I dont see delinquent feedback in the trading stats.

Is this being applied to just current/future trades? Is there any consideration to apply it to past trades? Im just curious if my 15 open trades where I fulfilled my duties and left feedback will ever be cleaned up and give me credit.

 

@Todd has this gone anywhere? I only have one of these, but I get several BMs a week asking about it.

 

I really hope the partial feedback I have is removed eventually. The person was banned in the middle of our trade and it's just been lingering haha My OCD is dying for it to be removed.

 

I just want to throw out my story regarding the idea of penalizing people for not leaving feedback. I have a trade that I shipped a few weeks back and received positive feedback from my partner. I have not left him feedback because he's not in possession of my beer yet. It's beer that isn't currently available to him but my end of the trade was some fresh hops so I wanted to make sure he got them while fresh. I don't expect to have my beer shipped from him for another month or so and when I get it, I'll certainly be leaving feedback. I'd hate to think that doing something like this, which is generally thought of as being a good trader, would be penalized, even for a short period of time.

 

Just one more data point to consider. I currently show 1 delinquent feedback. My trading partner's box broke in transit to me, and we have had great dialogue since then on what he will ship in its place. It's taken him a few weeks to put the make-up box together, all exactly on the timing we discussed. So while we are both still exactly on the same page with this trade, it is not closed yet so I have not left feedback yet. He just shipped yesterday, so it should be closing soon. Maybe mine is just an outlier, or maybe a slightly longer timeframe of say, 45 days, would be better to allow for these situations to resolve themselves. I'm not losing any sleep over my delinquent status because it will be resolved soon, but just thought I would share.

 

I wish this had surfaced a while ago. I dont have many documented trades unfortunately, so my whole "prevelage" status wouldn't change, but... I arranged a trade with someone via message. Then establised an official "request trade". We completed the trade- all went as planned. Then they went about setting up new trades, even leaving feedback for said new trades, and then ignoring both PMs and texts regarding "accepting" my trade request. So they basically used (or abused) the feedback system as a childish slap in the face to let me know they weren't happy about the trade. Instead of at very least just messaging me. Or leaving neutral/negative feedback. Had I known about the eminent changes in trader privelages regarding stats, I would have bitched more in the moment. Oh well. So immature though. Having some XX-day expiration on it would be tough, as he never responded to the request.