How strictly do I need to maintain temps when brewing

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  1. sdbrutus507

    sdbrutus507 Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2014 California

    New brewer, working on my second batch. It's a belgian ale. I pitched my yeast at 68 degrees, and have been running the AC at 70 for the last two days. Am worried the wife won't actually keep the place as cool while i'm out of town on a business trip. If the temp creeps up to 74/75 will that have a big impact on the quality of the brew?
     
  2. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    If you pitched at 68*F and are maintaining 70*F ambient around the beer now, you are already 2 days in, letting it get a little warmer won't hurt it. Belgians can go that high without too many issues, and the bulk of off flavors that a higher ferment temp would cause would happen in the first few days, so you are past that time frame. Raising it a couple degrees 4-5 days into fermentation will actually encourage the yeast to finish strong.
     
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  3. od_sf

    od_sf Initiate (0) Nov 2, 2010 California

    70 F ambient probably means active fermentation temps of 75-78 F. What yeast are you using?
     
  4. E-DUBB

    E-DUBB Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2012 Texas

    you'd get some banana esters in the 70-75 range. you'd want to ferment a bit cooler, ambient temp wise.
    if you're worried about temps, a simple ice bath (with frozen water bottles in rotation) in a rubber maid storage bin should do the trick.
     
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  5. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    as with most things brewing, it depends. I would not worry too much about fine tuning temps this early in your brewing career. Belgian strains are peculiar and can tolerate warm temps very well. depending on the strain, you may go as high as 85, but again, it depends. if you can keep 70 to 75 you are doing well.
    the final product might not be exactly where you may have wanted or expected, but since this is your second brew expectations are kind of fluid anyway, right?

    also, air temps do usually equal fermentations temps. your beer will be a few degrees warmer. if your ambient was 75 or higher from initial fermentation, then I might be concerned about funky esters and odd aromas.
    no worries.
    Cheers.
     
  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    The critical piece of information is what od_sf posted: What yeast are you using?

    Cheers!
     
  7. od_sf

    od_sf Initiate (0) Nov 2, 2010 California

    I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with your generalization. Some Belgian strains are very tolerant of high ferm temps, while others are absolutely not. I've brewed some beers that had terrible fusel off flavors by going just a couple degrees above the recommended max temperature for the strain.
     
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  8. pointyskull

    pointyskull Zealot (675) Mar 17, 2010 Illinois
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    My first few batches I had absolutely no temp control whatsover. Temps fluctuated all over the place and the end product still came out drinkable, so relax and enjoy.

    Now that I have gone full-on temp-controlled fridge I am seeing more consistency in my output and can see/taste the benefits.
     
  9. hopsputin

    hopsputin Grand Pooh-Bah (4,403) Apr 1, 2012 New Jersey
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    My last Belgian, I used WLP550. It got a little hot while I was out of town (probably 78-85 in the apartment) and it most definitely hurt the beer. Big fusel and medicinal taste & aroma to it
     
  10. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    yes. that is why I said, twice, "it depends".

    elevated fermentation temps are an issue most every time. the exceptions are certain Belgian yeasts. but not all Belgian strains. it depends. also, you are talking about high temperature but the OP is in the low to mid 70s, and that is not high temperature.
    Cheers.
     
  11. od_sf

    od_sf Initiate (0) Nov 2, 2010 California

    He's low to mid 70's ambient, which could mean 80+ F actual fermentation temp.
     
  12. slusk

    slusk Initiate (0) Sep 28, 2009 Virginia

    I typically pitch about 3-4 degrees below the yeast strains 'optimal' temp and let the active fermentation bring it up to my target temp. Most yeasts will ferment below their optimal temp and the heat produced by fermentation will warm it up. After about 4 days, depending on the recipe and yeast strain I'll slowly start to let that temp rise a few degrees. IMO temp control is one of the most important parts of brewing, for me anyway. Don't get me wrong, the whole brewing process is important, time, temp, PH, recipe... and on and on but I think fermentation temp control can make the difference between good beer and freakin awesome beer. :slight_smile:
     
  13. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    Most might agree a Belgian ale wasn't the best choice for noobrewer batch #2.

    Best wishes for a successful brew but I smell drain-pour.
     
  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I think we have to call you Mr. drain-pour!?!:wink:

    As Oddball from Kelly's Heroes would say: "Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves?":confused:

    Cheers!
     
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  15. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    Yo mamma...that's why.
     
  16. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    Crappy process ends up producing crappy beer.
    Why not knock off blowin' sunshine instead?
     
  17. sdbrutus507

    sdbrutus507 Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2014 California

    I'm using White Labs Trappist Ale Yeast WLP500. I have one of those adhesive thermometers on the side of my carboy, right now according to that the brew is sitting in the 70-72 degree range, and it was down at 68 when I pitched the yeast. I'm about to hit 48 hours on my brew so far...the yeast is definitely active, already have a head of foam collecting on the top.

    I am definitely a little nervous with this brew, I had a boil over before even getting it into the fermentation vessel. I'm keeping my fingers crossed it turns out well...I didn't realize till after I started that Belgians are a little tougher brew.
     
  18. sdbrutus507

    sdbrutus507 Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2014 California

    Good call on the ice bath, i'll probably set that up tomorrow to bring it back down a little bit.
     
  19. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    White Labs publishes a chart for their Belgian yeasts listing fermentation temperature ranges and associated flavors achieved for those temperature ranges.

    For WLP500 (Trappist):

    · Low (58-66°F): Clean, Balanced, Earth

    · Medium (67-75°F): Spicy, Light Phenolic, Fruity

    · High: (75-85°F): Fruity, Moderate Phenolic, Solvent

    I brew with the Wyeast equivalent of WLP500 (3787) a lot. My preferred fermentation temperature for 3787 is the low 70’s (e.g., 71-73°F as measured by the Fermometer strip).

    My strong recommendation to you is to just maintain your current temperature of 70-72°F.

    Cheers!

    P.S. Here is the White Labs chart for future brewing: http://www.whitelabs.com/files/belgianchart_0.pdf
     
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  20. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

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