How to evaluate sours?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by coocookuhchoo, May 1, 2012.

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  1. coocookuhchoo

    coocookuhchoo Initiate (0) Nov 8, 2011 Maryland

    Hey, so first a little background...

    Tomorrow (the 1st) will be my 22nd birthday. Since I never had the opportunity for good beer before a year ago, I've spent the past year trying lots of different stuff. At this point I feel pretty comfortable with all the styles you can get from a typical American craft brewery.

    Recently, I've finally decided to take the plunge into the world of Belgian beers and styles. While I've loved some of the stuff outright, I'm having a harder time trying to appreciate the few sours I've tried (right now I'm trying out Oud Beersel Oude Geuze - it's okay). I see sours raved about on here all the time, so I know there must be something to them, but to me it seems like a totally different beverage than any other beer style. They are so different that I just can't apply any of my experience with other styles when evaluating.

    How should I approach sours? What should I look for? They just seem so foreign that I don't know what to think.

    And before anyone says "just enjoy them," I get that, but I think I would enjoy them more if I had a better idea of what to expect, what to look for, and what not to look for.

    Thanks!
     
  2. minnesotaryan

    minnesotaryan Initiate (0) Dec 27, 2010 Minnesota

    try concentrating on what you are tasting and just trying to isolate all the flavors. a good sour beer should have a lot going on.
     
  3. coocookuhchoo

    coocookuhchoo Initiate (0) Nov 8, 2011 Maryland

    Part of my problem may have been having them too cold, too. As this geuze warms up I'm getting a lot more from it.
     
  4. BlackBelt5112203

    BlackBelt5112203 Initiate (0) Jan 2, 2012 Michigan

    As minnesotaryan said, sours have a lot going on and that's part of their beauty; good ones are just so damn complex.

    As someone who only first tried sours recently, I would say the first step is to recognize that they're unlike any other "beery" beer that you'll encounter. Enter the experience with an open mind and appreciate that they're in a league of their own.

    As far as things to look for, I tend to look for different fruits (cherries, apples, raspberries, etc.), different spices, woody flavors and aromas from barrel aging, and the characteristic musty barnyard aroma of Brettanomyces. After those basic elements, keep looking for other things as well - good sours will have lots to offer.

    And as you said in your original post, just enjoy them!
     
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  5. minnesotaryan

    minnesotaryan Initiate (0) Dec 27, 2010 Minnesota

    yeah, drinking it at a slightly warmer temp will really help. Do you have access to Cuvee Des Jacobins, Duchesse De Bourgogne, La Folie, Monk's Cafe Sour Flemish Ale and Rodenbach? Those are also good for getting to learn about the style.
     
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  6. coocookuhchoo

    coocookuhchoo Initiate (0) Nov 8, 2011 Maryland

    I have access to 3 of the 5. The biggest problem is, as a college student, most of those are out of my price range. I almost got Monk's with some birthday money today, but I opted for something from Ommegang, this Geuze, and Orvila Saison (out of Saison Dupont) as my Belgian intro instead.
     
  7. minnesotaryan

    minnesotaryan Initiate (0) Dec 27, 2010 Minnesota

    Yeah, sours are not cheap, Lindemans Gueuze Cuvée René is a rather reasonable gueuze.
     
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  8. coocookuhchoo

    coocookuhchoo Initiate (0) Nov 8, 2011 Maryland

    Thanks, I'll look out for that.
     
  9. minnesotaryan

    minnesotaryan Initiate (0) Dec 27, 2010 Minnesota

    it is also pretty highly rated and I think very easily available.
     
  10. JRod1969

    JRod1969 Maven (1,290) Nov 23, 2010 New York
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    I learned by reading top reviwer reviews like Buckeyenation. It told me what to look for. Then I started with basic sours (Duchesse de Bourgioues (sp?)) and moved up. Now, I can tell you why '10 Cable Car is inferior to '09 Cable Car. Just remember, enjoy the journey.
     
  11. nrs207

    nrs207 Initiate (0) Sep 8, 2011 Pennsylvania

    I tend to agree with the above posts. I've only had a few, and I love how different they are. I was lucky and found them delicious from the get go. I have a Cantillon LP Kriek just waiting for the right occasion. Can't wait.

    I also notice you're in Maryland. Not sure about their distro, but I have access to what seems like a good amount of sours a little north of Philly. If you ever get into the Philly area, I'm sure you'll be able to find some good stuff that you can't get anywhere in Maryland.
     
  12. coocookuhchoo

    coocookuhchoo Initiate (0) Nov 8, 2011 Maryland

    Cool. Unfortunately I don't get up to the Philly area much at all. Selection isn't bad here, plus I am close enough to the border to have access to VA and DC beers as well. I'll actually be in VA for school next year, so hopefully they get some good stuff.
     
  13. minnesotaryan

    minnesotaryan Initiate (0) Dec 27, 2010 Minnesota

    if you have access to Cuvee Des Jacobins, it is exceptional.
     
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  14. Agold

    Agold Maven (1,287) Mar 13, 2010 Pennsylvania

    Jolly pumpkin doesn't quite brew sours, but they do make outstanding beers, and there are generally a lot of similar elements between ther bretty wilds and sours. Also, come up to philly and hit up some RR.

    Just try different ones, notice things, and read reviews while you drink (if you can or if you feel like it) and associate words with flavors. Above all enjoy those fuckers. They are weird at first, but really awesome.
     
  15. LiquidTable

    LiquidTable Initiate (0) May 3, 2011 Michigan

    Jolly Pumpkin doesn't brew sours??! All they make are sour/wild ales (the terms are interchangeable).
    The classic term is "spontaneously fermented ales," which includes variations of Flemish Red, Oud Bruin, Gueuze, and Lambic.
    Other closely related beer styles are "farmhouse ales," including Witbier, Saison and Biere de Garde.
    I highly recommend JP beers, as they run the full gamut of these styles, typically with their own unique twist...more like the traditional beers of the region.
    Pick up "Brew like a Monk" by Stan Hieronymous or "Tasting Beer" by Randy Mosher. Good info in both.
    Keep in mind the sour characters come from several wild yeast strains...
    Brettanomyces: banyard, horsey
    Pediococcus: sauerkraut, medicinal
    Lactobacillus: yogurt, sour cream
    Actetobacter: vinegar
    When these microflora interact with wood barrels, other unique flavors are produced. As one person previously mentioned, look for fruit and spice characters as a result of fermentation. Most should also be quite dry, as well as puckering.
    Try some of the following relatively easy to get "sours" and experiment...
    -Orval
    -Petrus Aged Pale
    -JP La Roja
    -Rodenbach
    -JP Oro de Calabaza
    -Lindemanns Cuvee Rene
    -any Witbier from Belgium that is not Hoegaarden
    Etc etc etc
    Cheers!
     
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  16. mychalg9

    mychalg9 Pooh-Bah (2,123) Apr 8, 2010 Illinois
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    My method in these situations is to just try as many beers as I can and read reviews while I taste them and I start to notice the nuances
     
  17. Grohnke

    Grohnke Initiate (0) Sep 15, 2009 Illinois

    cant agree more. It is truly an exquisite beer. Brilliant!
     
  18. minnesotaryan

    minnesotaryan Initiate (0) Dec 27, 2010 Minnesota

    also take notes, I have started taking notes on everything new I taste. find common things you enjoy with in the styles
     
  19. Bonis

    Bonis Initiate (0) Jul 28, 2010 Ohio

    I have found that sometimes craft beer drinkers simply don't care for sours. I personally love a sour every now and then, but I wish I didn't due to my lack of funds. If you don't like them, don't rush into them. Wait 2 to 3 months before you have another sour and maybe your opinion will change. I wouldn't suggest anything like Cuvee Rene, as I found that highly offensive in taste (I mean, I liked it, but boy was it funky!). For the price point, I would go with something like Petrus Aged Pale, which has a cleaner sour taste. You may even want to go with a Berliner Weiss. It's a tart/sour lawnmower type beer, low in abv but very refreshing delicious on a warm day. I think these are a better intro into sour beers.
     
  20. tjensen3618

    tjensen3618 Maven (1,391) Mar 23, 2008 California

    I almost think of them as a separate beverage altogether as they have very little in common, taste wise, with most styles of beers.
    There's beer, wine, cider, mead, and sours.
     
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