Huna for Beat?

Beat was available for a week? That makes some of the ISO:FT threads look crazy. If Hunahpu was available for a week, id have two dozen bottles and alredy have traded for my entire wants list. Out of curiosity, does anyone know how many bottles of beat were available?

And I have to agree with randomname, if a bottle is significantly easier to get you should be expected to give up a higher number of them. If there then is a discrepancy in price, it can be made up for in locals. Thus the rarer beer is often the one adding locals, but obviously only because they are getting a higher quantity of their desired beer in the trade.

 

entered this thread, read first few post thinking "what the fuck am i even reading this for?" read your post, left the thread happy.

 

At least. They still had some today, it was released last Friday.

12k

 

Actually, you shouldn't be expected to do anything. If you can make a trade, good for you. What I meant to say is that it is reasonable for the person with the rarer beer to ask for a high quantity of the less rare beer.

 

Glad you corrected yourself there. I was getting ready for a lengthy lecture on Entitlement 101! And I'm too sleepy for a coherent one right now

 

But that's kinda my point... Beatification and Hunahpus are not on the same difficulty to acquire.

Trader A travels to Florida for Hunahpu's Day, he gets his hotel and yada yada yada. Release time comes and he gets his two bottles. He want's more but alas the next day it's sold out.

Trader B travels to California for Beat release, for the sake of argument he too gets a hotel. Release time comes and he snags his full 6 bottles. He notices the huge amount of stock, so he decides he's gonna stop by again tomorrow to see if there's any left before he heads home. Sure enough next day he comes in and grabs another 6.

Now both traders make it home and decide they are going to keep at least 1 bottle.

Trader A has up to 1 bottle left to trade.
Trader B has up to 11 bottles to trade.

They decide they want to trade together.

Do you really think Trader A should give his 1/1 for Trader B's 1/11 + $5 in locals?

As to your statement, yes people have traded ridiculous things for a single bottle of Beatification, people have also traded ridiculous things for a single bottle of Kate or Hunahpu's. That doesn't mean that those trades are a good baseline to establish the generally acceptable value of something. I'd guess a Kate or Hunahpus has been traded 1:1 for a Beat and some have traded 1:3, and some in the middle.

I also would just like to point out, that to a large degree, part of the reason people were trading so much for Beatification is that the majority of people had no idea that Beat was still in stock for a week and were basing their trade offers on Batch 4 (way more rare). Now don't get me wrong, I don't blame them for taking advantage, after all, capitalism is king. But I do think it's a bit ridiculous that these traders are now expecting the same offers, and act insulted if you offer less. So much for Advocacy right?

 

Thanks for the info. I don't see how it's even a comparison then. On Hunahpu day, the bottles,went on sale at 3:30pm. They were already sold out (in terms of giving out enough guaranteed two bottle bracelets to cover their entire stock of bottles) between noon and 12:30. Effectively they were sold out 3 hours before they even went on sale.

And 12k bottles is not a ton, but it's certainly a decent amount. What was the bottle count of Hunahpu? Ive heard in 2011 they only brewed 3,000 bottles, but im not sure about this year. And in comparison to other rare beers, doesn't founders only brew like 2k bottles of CBS (I may be wrong, not sure of its availablity on store shelves, but I know the CBS release at the brewery only had 1,700 bottles).

 

Founders sold approx. 12k bottles of CBS this year.

*EDIT: Some at the brewery, as you mention, and the rest in distro.

 

This I definitely will agree with, and I suppose it's missing from my posts. As long as both parties are happy in the end, I think it's a fair trade.

My posts are speaking more to a general baseline of what normally would be considered balanced. There are plenty of instances where a trade is imbalanced and both party's walk away happy.

I believe the Hunahpu's release was like 3-4k bottles, but I could be off on that one.

 

No, my point is that it's up to the other people AND NOT YOU. Your opinion is completely meaningless to what other people ask for their stuff. You might think something's reasonable, and you might have your reasons, but other people might disagree. And who cares what other people are trading? It's like gay sex, if both people are okay with it I don't give a shit who's putting what where, and you shouldn't either.

 

I would like some Beat for my Hunahpu, f the rarity noise, make me a fair offer and we can work something out.

 

Not sure how I managed to quote my own response. I blame the iPad.

 

Couple of things here. First, they did only sell that many on the release day at the brewery. Second, yes, the rest of the bottles went into distribution. HOWEVER, it is a GROSS overstatement to say it is, or ever was, "read[ily] available on bottle shop shelves". Many places did lists months in advance. Places that didn't typically seemed to have a one bottle limit. There were stories of people following the distribution trucks around cities and buying them up before they even entered the stores.

It was basically a giant shit show. I really wish the old forums were easier to search, so I could just link you to some of the old CBS threads.

*EDIT: Meant as a reply to zac.

 

I also heard there was alot of price gauging going on with CBS, stores selling it at $25-30+ when MSRP was like $16 or something.

 

Lots of that as well.

 

Something else people forget to realize is that Hunahpu's is a yearly release. Beatification comes out on average every couple years or so. Also, the style of an American Wild seems to be much more desirable than the stout (though I prefer stouts to sours, personally).

Also, please elaborate on what you mean by "if you are smart enough". It'd really like to hear this argument.

 

lol, what argument? It was a joke in reference to the post I quoted and the Lord of the Rings... All it meant was that you could bring your non beer drinking friends (IE, the non Ring carrying members of the Fellowship of the Ring) and snag multiple allocations.

The Fellowship of the Brew if you will...

I am kind of saddened that I had to explain it.

 

If I choose to do so, yes. It's one good beer for another good beer. If you have something I want and I have something you want, then we can set up a trade. There's no sense in quoting bottle numbers, allocations, availability, or anything else to me as there is no definitive underlying value to the beer. The only linear relationship upon which two traders can build an equitable trade is price. So if I get $20 worth of beer and I send you $20 worth of beer, then the trade is equal. The only subjectivity comes in trading beers you want. I have Hunahpu, I want Beatification. You have Beatification, you want Hunahpu. Happiness abounds.

Side note: To tell me that my logic makes "absolutely no sense" on a matter of personal preference is asinine.

 

What does that have to do with someone being "smart"? Same could be said about someone going to Hunahpu's.

I consider myself to be a "smart" guy, but the fact that I didn't walk away with 3 cases doesn't mean I'm not. It's not as easy as one might think to find 5-6 friends who have nothing better to do than to take 4 hour round trip with you to a brewery in the middle of the week just to buy bottles for you on their behalf.