(I)PA recipe help

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  1. phideltashaggy

    phideltashaggy Initiate (0) Jul 3, 2010 Tennessee

    Hi guys,

    I've planned out a little ale to start soon. I have something like a dry hopped Sierra Nevada pale in mind. I want citrusy hop flavor, and I'm going to age about half of my 5 gallon batch over mangoes, because mangoes rule. Any advice/critique of my recipe would be helpful.

    grain- (mini mash/extract)

    2 lb us six row
    1 lb crystal 40
    4 lb light extract

    Hop-
    1 oz amarillo 60 mins
    1 oz citra 35 min
    1 oz citra 10 min
    1 oz citra dry hop

    Looking to find a relatively clean yeast that can work at warmer temps (70F)

    Shooting for a well balanced pale ale, maybe on the bitter side.
     
  2. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    Nobody likes 30 min hop additions. :slight_smile: Your ounce is better suited if you break it up into a 5, 1, and KO additoin.

    US 05 should do well, but you want to throw your fermenter and wort into a big bucket of water or a spare bath tub to help keep it a shade cooler. Frozen 2 liters also work well to keep your batch cool during fermentation.

    Edit:
    If you want more bitter, you may want to try to up your IBUs you'll want an oz and a half to two oz of amarillo at 60. Note, I didn't calculate this, but you'll probably want 65+ IBUs here.

    A half batch might just be ok.
     
  3. phideltashaggy

    phideltashaggy Initiate (0) Jul 3, 2010 Tennessee

    Sorry, I haven't brewed too many batches yet, I don't quite understand what you think my hop schedule should be.
     
  4. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    He's saying add at 5 minutes left, 1 minute left, and after flame-out. And because you've moved your hop schedule to later in the boil, you'd need to add a few more ounces at 60 min, to make up for the IBU loss.

    It seem like you are asking what yeast would work cleanly at 70° ambient, and I would say there isn't one. As your wort would be quite a bit warmer than that during active fermentation. That would mean you'd have to employ some other method to keep in the temps down...such as the previously mentioned "swamp cooler" method.

    Anyway, I agree with nixing the 35 min, and moving your hop schedule to later in the boil. I'd also use mango puree, instead of fresh mangoes for your aging.
     
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  5. phideltashaggy

    phideltashaggy Initiate (0) Jul 3, 2010 Tennessee

    I'm predicting 70F ferm temps, my apartment stays about 65 during the winter (poor insulation). And I was going to puree, then freeze, fresh mangoes. I don't have the lingo down yet.

    But is there anything wrong when looking at the grain or hop choices? I made something similar a few years ago and enjoyed it, but I changed the hop varieties completely.
     
  6. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    No need for the six row. Just plain 2 row will be fine.

    I'd cut the crystal a little, because you'll have some from your extract.

    I'd do

    2# 2 row
    .5 # C-40

    Then again.. you could just steep the crystal and be done with it, and skip the mashing unless you want to do so.

    Your hop schedule is fine, but if you can get some other hops to use at 60 for your bittering I think it would be better. I hate Citra when it's used at 60. It's a bit of a waste, and it really has an odd flavor.

    Citra and Amarillo go together very well though, so stick with it.

    Move your 35min addition out.

    Do whatever you want for your bulk calculated IBU's @60.

    Then don't make another addition until 5 minutes. Then when you turn your boil off, toss in some more, and once you start chilling it, toss in a little more and hold the temp around 160-ish for 15-20 mins an stir the wort around periodically.



    So-

    1oz @60
    .5 oz @ 5
    .5 oz @ knock out
    1 ounce @ 170* hopstand

    dry hop as you'd like

    In terms of yeast.. 70 ain't gonna cut it. It'll be a bit too high for most options. I'd suggest a bucket with water and to keep your carboy/bucket in the water to help keep the temp down. Swamp cooler, google it.

    For that, I'd say use some US05 or even BRY-97. BRY- 97 works okay at wamer temps and won't get too out of hand. If you are 65 ambient it'll be a bit north of 70 at it's most active fermentation. Not ideal.
     
  7. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    I mentioned the mango puree, as there is a well liked mango wine recipe on homebrewtalk that uses canned exclusively. I think you'd end up getting more mango flavor from canned, as I believe they are more uniform of flavor.

    As for your grains, I'd lower the amount of crystal. Your hop choice should make a tasty brew...though you might want to add another addition of amarillo later in the boil, maybe at flame out.
     
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  8. firstthenlast

    firstthenlast Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2013 Massachusetts

    Thats a lot of crystal but if you like that much go for it.

    Also, I like everyone else here am not a fan of 30 min hop additions. Most experts on homebrew will agree that the best way of extracting flavour bitterness and aroma is with a 60 min bittering addition, then some additions with 10-15 min to go for aroma.
     
  9. firstthenlast

    firstthenlast Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2013 Massachusetts

    As for yeast I would use US05. Make your life easy. Its an easy to use dry yeast that is capable of world class results. Also its neutrality will be nice with mango flavouring.
     
  10. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    Agree on the fermentation temperature concerns.

    Agree pretty much on the hops too, although my schedule would be 10, 5, 0 (KO, FO). Most of us would probably agree that the 35 minute addition should be moved to much later in the boil.

    Unless you're rolling in amarillo, I would use a clean bittering hop at 60 to bring you up to your desired overall bitterness level, and save the amarillo for a late addition or dry hop on another beer. I say this ONLY because amarillo is relatively hard to get a hold of (and probably expensive), NOT because I think there's anything inherently wrong with using amarillo, citra etc as a bittering hop.

    Other than that, and even with your original recipe, it should be a fine beer. But you (OP) asked, so we answered! :grinning:
     
  11. phideltashaggy

    phideltashaggy Initiate (0) Jul 3, 2010 Tennessee

    I appreciate all of the help guys. I have some great ideas. I'll probably cut the crystal some and stick with 2 row in a mini mash. I want to get into all grain at some point and want to continue mashing small amounts for practice. And I really appreciate the hop advice, I was under the impression that more citrus flavor would come out from hops around the 30 minute area, but I'll follow the advice given here.

    I love BA.
     
  12. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    So someone correct me if I'm wrong, but with crystal is their even a need for a minimash? In my head I only see a need for steeping the crystal and adding the extracts. Also, citra is as far from snpa as you can get. Citra is musky, dank, and tropical. If you want snpa, go cascade or centennial. For me though i'd stick with the citra, I love that hop.
     
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  13. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    This is correct.
     
  14. phideltashaggy

    phideltashaggy Initiate (0) Jul 3, 2010 Tennessee

    I want to some amount of mashing, and I just figured i would do all my grains at once to save time. Like I said, I'm still fairly new, so is there something detrimental about mashing vs steeping crystal with my 2 row?
     
  15. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    Nope, he was just commenting on the amount of work required.
     
  16. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Just to be clear (couldn't be sure from parsing your sentence)... If you use the 2-row, you'll have to do a mash (either with or without the crystal), not a steep. If you just use the crystal, it can be (and will be) a steep.
     
  17. phideltashaggy

    phideltashaggy Initiate (0) Jul 3, 2010 Tennessee

    Sounds good guys. I'm going to update then post my recipe once I get home to my qbrew before buying materials.
     
  18. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Two row won't add much as far as flavor or color, the crystal will do that. You will get the same effect from steeping the crystal as you would from mashing it. Really, you're just spending extra time and money on a step you don't need. Now, if you were to add munich, vienna, maybe some red wheat to your grain bill you would require a mash in order to convert the starches into sugars. Because your starches are converted in the crystal you're wasting time.
     
  19. phideltashaggy

    phideltashaggy Initiate (0) Jul 3, 2010 Tennessee

    Honestly, it's just practice for mashing for when I go all-grain at some point in the future.
     
  20. phideltashaggy

    phideltashaggy Initiate (0) Jul 3, 2010 Tennessee

    So here's the recipe I'm looking at now. I'll be buying supplies with a sweet groupon in a few days, then I'll brew soon after. I appreciate all of the help.


    Grains
    -2 lbs US two-row and 1/2 lb crystal 40 mashed for 90 minutes at 150F
    -4lbs light DME

    Hops
    -1.25 oz amarillo @60 mins
    -.5 oz citra @15 min
    -.25 amarillo and .5 citra @5 min
    -Whirlfloc tablet just before flameout

    After primary, I'll split into two vessels, one with 3 lbs mangoes and .5 oz citra, the other with just .5 oz citra.

    I plan to use White labs WLP001 Cali Ale yeast.

    Any last pieces of advice would be appreciated.
     
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