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Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by pro100, Dec 15, 2017.
I need help. I only look for fresh local cans these days.. What is this bottle beer thing all about?
I dont know, I got a bottle of CBS, KBS and BCBS this week, so it's not a problem for me ;-)
You use a bottle opener.
Clearly, you suffer from FOMO. The most efficient way to fix this is to stop giving a fuck. Just grab the nearest good beer, and drink it.
I have no idea what you guys are talking about.
That's OK, neither do the rest of us. Go ahead, pipe up!
I am very much against cans due to environmental reasons, but it has come to the point that I have a lot of cans in the house and it is purely due to the the beer I love is not put into bottles. So my choice is buy cans, or give up the beer I love. I have sacrificed my principles numerous times for love of a woman, now it's for love of a beer. The Devil likely will point this out to me eternally.
If I did this, I wouldn't be drinking at all. A crowler would be my only choice, and that's a non-starter in my book. YMMV.
That worked for me, too.
That's okay. I have a feeling that this thread is destined for the bit bucket anyway.
I love a great can. I mean - the way they move when she walks.....
Wait err, I mean yeah - fresh beer in the best container available. That's my motto.
If you can't get local cans in your area now might be a good time to invest in a mobile canning system and be first one to offer service to your local breweries. Sadly (from my perspective) the can revolution is taking over and is certainly coming your way.
I like crowlers when growlers not avail. so my mileage did vary, I just wish they were priced better, many breweries seem to add a premium to the per oz. price of beer in crowlers
Anyone remember when cans were the devil? Sometimes it amazes me as to what some people philosophize and ponder......
Cans were throught to be containers only suitable for use by Big Beer companies (which some have seen as doing only the devil's work ).
Then along came Oskar Blues. The word spread. Now here we are today.
I can somewhat relate to the OP. It's to the point now that it actually pisses me off when a brewery puts their latest IPA in a 6-pack of bottles. I bought a sixer of Victory Mighty Things DIPA and every time I went to go grab one I was like "This is taking up so much room in my fridge!"
I'm interested in your environmental reasons. I'm with you by the way.
I work as a Flyfishing Guide as my part time gig. There is a lot of environmental stewardship that goes hand in hand with that. Nothing worse than broken glass on a riverbank, or cans for that matter. I see far more broken glass on the river than cans. I owe that to pack in pack out? Even lazy people are more likely to lug cans out than bottles?
I was wondering the same thing. Aren't aluminum cans easily recyclable?
While I typed my initial response I was enjoying a Sierra Nevada Celebration Ale. I also picked up a 2017 Bourbon County Coffee Stout which the convenience store down the block from still had. The one that splits cases, and variety packs and sells them as sixers.
The only point I can see to support your... erm... question?...is that bottles add so much additional cargo weight to the liquid they carry which creates its own related impacts.
Cans don't give off a tell tale tinkle when you're carrying that extra grocery bag into the house.
I have more cans than I know what to do with
Slow news day?
Cans are convenient because of shape (fit in the bottom shelf of fridge) but bottles allow you to use your cool bottle opener. Both cans and bottles are recyclable which I do. I don’t care either way.
Over 20 posts and we haven't heard from @woodychandler yet!?!
Yes. Here in California you pay CRV on every can or bottle. When it comes time to recycle, you get so much more back for aluminum than glass that cans are really a better deal all around.
I college (1970) we looked at the environmental impacts of beer packaging and returnable bottles were the best for the environment and throwaway packaging was the worst and at the time everyone thought beer from cans sucked. Today the environmental costs of getting the ore out of the ground and make into aluminum and then into a can is enormous but once the can is a can then it beats the socks off throwaway bottles environmentally. Looking at the total lifecycle cans and bottles are probably pretty equal although each side can make a strong case that the other is much worse. The best way environmentally to drink beer is to drink draft beer.
The flavor issue with cans is long gone and unlike green, blue and clear bottles, beer in cans does not get skunky. Cans are also cheaper to transport per unit of beer. Beer in bottles will stale slightly faster due to extra headroom at the top filled with air. I have aged beer in bottles but not in cans so i do not know if there is a big difference between the two. Aesthetically I think bottles look nicer but then that could just be because I'm an old fart set in my ways.
Just recycle instead of throwing them on the neighbors lawn?
Don't want to get too off topic. Before trying to wade through aluminum industry propaganda that litters online search results, start by comparing the environmental disasters caused by mining for bauxite and the toxic process of turning aluminum oxide into aluminum versus the environmental disasters caused by gathering glass raw material and creating glass.
I'm curious about the negative environmental impact of cans as well. Both aluminum and glass are infinitely recyclable, yes? But glass is actually easier to come by. Does it take more energy to recycle aluminum than glass?
As far as shipping goes, however, cans are much better than glass because they weight a lot less and take up less room, which means less trips overall (which is great in itself).
Environmentally, concerning energy/fuel/shipping costs, cans have to be better than glass. The beer inside a 12 fl. oz. bottle of beer weighs roughly 13 oz. while the bottle itself is then another 7 oz. while a can is next to nothing. Am I wrong? Therefore the glass in a 24 pack case would weight an extra 10.5 #s in shipping.
Now I see said the blind man!
Since "-itis" refers to inflammation of some sort, I'm guessing that his ass is swollen.
I suggest that equivalency can be roughly determined after a rigorous examination of all the factors, which include distance traveled in total by all raw materials to place of final manufacture, and distance traveled in all cases after manufacture. Which includes glass being mostly not re made into glass but used as clean fill, and needing to travel only a short distance from point of being recycled.
However the extreme damage done by bauxite mining has no equivalence with glass raw materials,, and there is no equivalence to the toxicity created by aluminum oxide being made into aluminum. So we can debate whether the glass mouse in the room weighs more or less than the aluminum mouse in the room, while the aluminum elephant stands alone to the side.
Cans, bottles, it's all good. Shipping wise, easier to ship cans.
I hear you.
Because he likes it in the can!?!
This happened to me a year or so ago after I made my first beer trade for fresh cans. I spent the next 4-5 months chasing every can release I saw posted on Instagram. Many fruitless hours on the trading forums of the internet trying to figure out a way to score the latest hype. I had some success but I struck out more often. Then one day in July everything changed. I saw the lastest hyped beer being released from the latest hyped brewery and I was like mehhh. Don’t get me wrong I love fresh cans and have a few in my fridge ready to be consumed this weekend but something definitely changed. I adopted the attitude “If I can try it great if not that’s okay because there is great beer all around”. A few bad experiences on Instagram and Reddit (not BA ) I found a lot of these haze bros to be complete and utter douches when it came to beer and trading it. But hey I know I’m just being salty because I don’t live next to Monkish, OH or Treehouse right? Lol I don’t get that the beer is practically gold right? And that my beer I am trying to trade is complete garbage because it’s not hyped and being posted all over Instagram. But after all this ranting I just want want to say ISO:Fresh Canzzzz
I'm sure woody would say he 'CAN offer you his opinion but he doesn't understand the OP's CANundrum' or something like that
(am I doing this right, @woodychandler ?)
Welcome to the adult world of craft beer drinking.
Thank you. I was in the adult world of craft beer drinking prior but can fully admit I suffered a 4 or 5 month sickness. It’s good to be back
Glad you're feeling better.
Cans are boring. Bottles have caps!