Imperial Hefeweizen

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  1. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    I don't know the difference between White and "true" Zinfandel either. But I know if I handed someone a Dunkel who typically enjoyed a Dunkelweizen (and expected one) I doubt they'd enjoy it.
     
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  2. SipIt

    SipIt Pundit (752) Jul 18, 2013 Minnesota
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  3. Arminius757

    Arminius757 Zealot (572) Aug 29, 2014 Connecticut
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    As it has been said before, I would classify Weizenbock as an "imperial" hefeweizen.
    The masters of the Weizenbock is easily Schneider. If you are looking for what crazy things can be done with a weizen style beer, look no further than their TapX series. A personal favorite of mine was their Porterweizen, which is exactly like it sounds. If you are looking for a more hop forward style, Tap 5 is the perfect example of what a hoped up weizen could be.
    Otherwise, I would say that something like their Eisbock is a "double" weizenbock if you will.
     
  4. montman

    montman Maven (1,444) Mar 10, 2009 Virginia
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  5. ThisWangsChung

    ThisWangsChung Pooh-Bah (2,988) Oct 15, 2011 Maryland
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    Bah, cinnamon is so passe. What it needs is hazelnut coffee, cocoa nibs, maple syrup, and coconut, aged in both apple brandy and Pappy Van Winkle barrels.

    Boom! Watch that hype train roll in andalsowatchitbecomeundrinkablebeyond3ouncesshhhhhhh.
     
  6. ecpho

    ecpho Savant (1,183) Mar 28, 2011 New York

    I think there should be a recommended training course for new craft drinkers. New drinkers have never drank liquid tons of AAL in their youth then moved on to german, english and belgian beers and their hundreds of years of history. Now they jump into imperial, double dry hopped, adjunct filled, barrel aged everything. Sounds like a new Other Half beer. Half the time in this site I have to apologize for liking traditional representations of a particular beer style.
     
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  7. TriggerFingers

    TriggerFingers Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2012 California

    It's what happens when a brewery tries to dial in a system.

    "Oh man....we didn't calculate the malt correctly....and our yeast over-attenuated."

    What to do?

    Call it "Imperial." If it didn't attenuate enough? Call it "Session."
     
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  8. meefmoff

    meefmoff Pooh-Bah (1,922) Jul 6, 2014 Massachusetts
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    Don't feel bad. I just made a similar mistake this past new beer Sunday when my Weihenstephaner weizenbock was not at all what I was expecting. You might get a kick out of my confusion. Live and learn!

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/new-beer-sunday-week-627.493090/page-4#post-5303603

    I made this same point in the post linked above. The head is different but the beer itself looks very similar. Some great marketing opportunities for Weihenstephaner there if they want to get into the long lines, beards, and twitter game :wink:
     
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  9. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Like everyone else has said, its a thing already. You could also delve into the realms of wheatwines too if you feel so inclined.
     
  10. Jacobier10

    Jacobier10 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,102) Feb 23, 2004 New Jersey
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    Ramstein Double Platinum Blonde is the closest thing I've had to an imperial hefeweizen. Tasted like a hefeweizen on steroids but not quite a weizenbock.
     
  11. akolb

    akolb Initiate (0) Aug 8, 2015 Colorado

    Not a wheat beer at all, but I always thought Victory's Golden Monkey tripel tasted exactly like an imperial hefeweizen would.
     
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  12. SSGCujo

    SSGCujo Savant (1,083) Jul 12, 2016 Wisconsin

    I grew up with Miller, Pabst, and Old Style. I then got stationed in Germany for 2 1/2 years and learned about what beer really was. When I came back to Wisconsin I could only find Sprecher, and then Hacker. The traditional beers are great, but I also like to try a micro-brews take on a traditonal style. Urban Chestnut, from St.Louis,and New Glarus in Wisconsin makes some great German beers. It's good to be able to try new beers and choose what you may, may-not like.
     
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  13. Scott17Taylor

    Scott17Taylor Initiate (0) Oct 28, 2013 Iowa
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    I don't k ow if there is much difference between a weizenbock and imperial Hefeweizen, but I just had my first imperial hefe, sallyweiss from Nebraska brewing, it was aged in wine barrels and I really enjoyed it.
     
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  14. BeerPugz

    BeerPugz Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2016 Wisconsin

    I think it limits what can be produced in Germany. I wonder how many brewers have idea's they would like to use, but can't. Although I'm sure the German's will have no complaints. Their rocket program during WWII had more experimentation than their beer of today and yesteryear

    Weizenbock
    Description:
    A more powerful Dunkel Weizen (of "bock strength"), with a pronounced estery alcohol character, perhaps some spiciness from this, and bolder and more complex malt characters of dark fruits.

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/style/92/

    Nonsense. I just think it limits what can be produced.

    The Bavarian order of 1516 was introduced in part to prevent price competition with bakers for wheat and rye. The restriction of grains to barley was meant to ensure the availability of affordable bread, as wheat and rye were reserved for use by bakers.[2] It has also been argued that the rule had a protectionist role, as beers from Northern Germany often contained additives that were not present in Bavarian beer.[3]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinheitsgebot#Purpose

    Too many replies to reply to so I will just leave the rest here.

    @AlcahueteJ @steveh I did not mean imperial Dunkelweizen.

    @SipIt I am. I laugh and walk the other direction every time I see a New Glarus.
     
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  15. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    For your consideration below is how the Brewers Association Style Guidelines defines the Weizenbock style. Note the part of “…are gold to very dark”. There is no requirement that a Weizenbock be Dunkel (Dark).

    Cheers!

    “South German-Style Weizenbock

    South German-Style Weizenbocks are gold to very dark. If served with yeast appearance may appropriately be very cloudy. Balanced clove-like phenolic and fruity-ester banana elements produce a well-rounded aroma. If dark, a mild roast malt character should emerge to a lesser degree in the aroma. No diacetyl aroma should be perceived. Hop aroma is not perceived. Medium malty sweetness is present. If dark, a mild roast malt flavor should emerge. Hop flavor is not perceived. Hop bitterness is low. Balanced clove-like phenolic and fruity-ester banana-like elements produce a well-rounded flavor. Carbonation is high. No diacetyl should be perceived. These beers are typically roused during pouring and because yeast is present, the beer will have yeast flavor and a characteristically fuller mouthfeel. Body is medium to full. During competition, entries will be roused unless instructed otherwise by the entering brewer.

    Original Gravity (ºPlato) 1.066 - 1.080 (16.1 - 19.3) ● Apparent Extract/Final Gravity (ºPlato) 1.016 - 1.028 (4.1 - 7.1) ● Alcohol by Weight (Volume) 5.50% - 7.50% (7.00% - 9.50%) ● Bitterness (IBU) 15 - 35 ● Color SRM (EBC) 4.5 - 30 (9 - 60)”
     
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  16. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    So you meant to call Weizenbock a Dunkel? It's not, it's a Weizenbock. And BA's definition is misleading because Weizenbock can vary in color.

    On the other hand (and probably muddling the issue even more), a Dunkelweizen is just that, a Weizen beer that is dark in color, but not at all similar to a Munich Dunkel.

    Finishing off all of the merry-go-round of discussion, there really is no Imperial Hefeweizen style. Just sayin'.
     
  17. BeerPugz

    BeerPugz Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2016 Wisconsin

    Thanks for history lesson. I've never seen or tried a gold weizenbock to know if it would be ok to classify as an "imperial" hefeweiss.

    You are right -- my bad.

    Still, every weizenbock I've tried tasted nothing like one would expect for an imperial hefeweiss. I like the style, but never seen one gold in appearance so it is difficult for me to classify a weizenbock as an imperial hefeweiss as some have suggested in this thread.

    That's the whole point of the discussion. Every labeled "imperial" hefeweiss I tried was some American attempt at an imperial and it tasted like trash. That was my point to question the Reinheitsgebot because I'm sure the German's could do it better.

    Cheers!
     
  18. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Since there's really no style that is considered an "Imperial" Hefeweizen, how should one expect it to taste?

    The only true "imperial" style is Imperial Stout, and that really only garnered its name because it was popular with the Russian Imperial Court of the day.
     
  19. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    At the risk of being repetitive:

    "My favorite pale Weizenbock is Weihenstephaner Vitus."

    Cheers!
     
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  20. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Bears repeating, though. It really does taste surprisingly like a ramped up hefeweizen, and doesn't really have that heavier malty quality that many of the others have.
     
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