Imperial Pumpkin PIE porter

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by CaptainQuint, Aug 8, 2015.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. CaptainQuint

    CaptainQuint Initiate (0) Apr 23, 2014 Massachusetts

    Hey everyone, looking to get some help with my pumpkin pie recipe, and I do emphasize the pie part because there seems to be an on going debate about pumpkin pie/spice beers and actual pumpkin beers. Anyway, here is the recipe I want to brew. I'm trying to get the ABV as high as I can (10+%). I'm also trying to pack a lot of pumpkin pie flavor into it, let me know if the recipe below is a solid one or if I'm completely out of my mind! Thanks!

    4 gallon boil
    1 gallon top off
    partial mash
    extract
    Use of primary fermenter and a carboy


    The goods:
    4 cans (13.2 pounds) Porter LME
    3 pounds extra dark DME

    8oz medium crystal
    8oz Cara Pils
    8oz Caramel 60
    4oz Flaked oats

    3 cans of pumpkin pie filling (double bagged and added at start of boil after the malt)
    2 tbsp pumpkin pie spice added in the last 10 minutes of the boil.

    1oz Nugget
    1oz Cascade

    #1084 Irish Ale yeast
     
  2. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Two things, you may want to use roasted pumkin or pumpkin puree instead of the pie filling. I would steep the pumpkin and specialty malts together.
    Second, you may be better off using a touch of rum and making a tincture with the pie spices and putting them in secondary. I find the further from the final product you are in the brewing process when adding things like spices or coffee the more muted these things become. By saying further from the final product I mean adding spices in the mash would lead to more muted flavors than adding at flameout, and adding a tincture in your bottling bucket or keg would have the most noticable pie flavors.
    shit, did I say two things, I meant three...
    lastly, im not sure where your base recipe came from. I am not sure what grains were used to make porter lme, and I would be nervous to add all of those other grains later for fear of having too much of a sweet crystal flavor, or too much bitterness. When I do extract batches I use pilsen lme or dme in place of 2 row or whatever base malt the recipe calls for, then I build up the specialty grains like a regular all grain recipe. If those grains need mashing I use the brew in a bag method and actually mash them with an extra pound of 2row or even 6row to get full conversion.
     
  3. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
    Pooh-Bah

    When making a pumkin beer, the roasted pumpkin goes on top of the mash tun and is gently stirred in about 1 inch. I get plenty of flavor and no pumpkin debree in the beer. I spice a t the same time. never used porter LME but that brew sure will be dark and roasty. If you think its gonna be too sweet but want to use the recipe anyways, add another oz of nugget. have fun!!
     
  4. Beerswimmer

    Beerswimmer Initiate (0) Mar 4, 2013 Texas

    I agree with making a tincture with the spices. Ground cinnamon turns into goop that you won't want in your beer. I add the spice tincture to my bottling bucket.
     
  5. halo3one

    halo3one Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2014 Georgia

    Let us know how it turns out.
     
  6. aobrehm

    aobrehm Initiate (0) Jun 18, 2015 Oregon

    I have lots of thoughts about this. I'll do my best to keep my post organized and to the point.

    1. As @SFACRKnight brought up, the Porter LME already has lots of specialty grains. Assuming you're using Briess Porter LME, you can get a detailed breakdown of what's in it here: http://www.brewingwithbriess.com/Assets/PDFs/Briess_PISB_CBWPorterLME.pdf . Because this extract already has plenty of caramel/crystal and carapils, I would skip the specialty grains and do this all extract. The extract alone will easily give you a monster OG of 1.11-1.12.

    2. Wyeast reports that 1084 has an alcohol tolerance of 12% and you're pushing the boundaries of that. It is absolutely imperative that you do everything you can to help this yeast out. Make a big starter (probably with two smack packs), use lots of yeast nutrient, and oxygenate your wort to the best of your ability. Otherwise, this yeast is going to crap out on you and you'll end up with an under-attenuated sugar bomb.

    3. When are your hops going in? In general, pumpkin beers aren't terribly bitter nor do they have huge hop flavor. You might consider scrapping the Cascade entirely.

    4. My gut tells me that you're going to overspice your beer. I recently brewed an imperial pumpkin ale (more like a Scottish Wee Heavy) that came out at 9.5% ABV and only used a total of 1 tbsp of spices (Cinnamon, Nutmeg, Clove, Ginger, Cardamom) that went in 2 minutes from the end of the boil. Remember that you can always add more spice, but it's impossible to take spice out if you overdo it. Maybe add a fraction of your pumpkin pie spice near the end of your boil, and then also prepare a tincture to increase the spice level up IF you want to at bottling.

    5. It would be ideal if you could mash your pumpkin as @GormBrewhouse advocates. Pumpkin is very starchy, and the starch will not convert to sugar unless you make it. You might consider doing a very small mash in a covered kitchen pot with your pumpkin and a pound of 6 row base malt (or something else with high diastatic power) to convert some of the pumpkin starch.

    Hope this helps and happy brewing!
     
  7. CaptainQuint

    CaptainQuint Initiate (0) Apr 23, 2014 Massachusetts

    Thanks for all the advice guys! The base recipe is one that I made for the first time last year in December. Originally it came out as very roasty, robust, a perfect amount of sweetness, it had a lower ABV (about 6.7%), and had a very subltle pumpkin pie flavor.

    I was pleased with the original, but it wasn't as high ABV as I wanted and it did not have enough pumpkin to it, so the only thing that I've changed from the old recipe to the new one which was written in my original post, is adding more LME, more canned pumpkin pie filling, and some flaked oats for head retention.

    After reading all of your advice on here, I think the easiest and most practical thing for me to do (given the space of which I have to brew and my abilities and time) I will probably end up buying a couple decent sized pumpkins and making my own puree and adding that into the boil with a can of the pumpkin pie filling.

    My goal for the beer is a big amount of pumpkin pie taste and a high enough ABV to please me (10+%). Given what you guys have said, I think I can pull this off. Only time will tell. This is second up on my brew schedule. First up is a chocolate imperial stout aged with heavy toasted american oak chips soaked in Grand Marnier.

    This pumpkin beer should come out really nicely!

    Thanks!
     
  8. DrMindbender

    DrMindbender Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2014 South Carolina

    For a more pumpkin pie flavor, I'd add a vanilla bean tincture at secondary or before kegging. I also like to add a little candied/crystallized ginger (1/2-1 oz at 2 minutes with other spices) in my pumpkin beers to round the spices out. This year I'm looking forward to brewing a pumpkin stout!
     
  9. CaptainQuint

    CaptainQuint Initiate (0) Apr 23, 2014 Massachusetts

    Never thought to add vanilla bean to it!

    I also need a crash course on tinctures! People keep telling to "tincture it and add it to the keg!" but I don't know how to tincture. Are there any good YouTube videos out there or articles that could teach me?
     
  10. DrMindbender

    DrMindbender Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2014 South Carolina

    My vanilla bean tincture = 4oz rum (I prefer rum for pumpkin beers in case a hint shines through) with 3 chopped and scraped fresh vanilla beans. Let this sit in a bottle for a month or so, I like to shake mine occasionally to move things around and expose more surface area to more rum. When you put the beer into secondary (or if you just primary, add it to the primary for a few days before bottling/kegging) add the entire 4oz rum + soaked chopped up vanilla beans in as well and proceed as usual.

    You can make a tincture of anything else in the same way. I ordere vanilla beans and bottles for each type of tincture I make from www.beanilla.com Excellent products, fair prices and fast shipping!
     
    #10 DrMindbender, Aug 9, 2015
    Last edited: Aug 9, 2015
  11. DrMindbender

    DrMindbender Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2014 South Carolina

  12. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
    Pooh-Bah

    You can also tincture with vodka. The higher the proof the better. Basically the alcohol pulls the essence out of the parent material and stores it in the vodka. Cover the parent material with the vodka. 100 proof is what works well for me. Different materials take different amounts of time. Hope it helps.
     
    DrMindbender likes this.
  13. CaptainQuint

    CaptainQuint Initiate (0) Apr 23, 2014 Massachusetts


    Wow! Thanks! I'm certainly going to try some tinctures in my upcoming brews!
     
    DrMindbender likes this.
  14. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
    Pooh-Bah

    Vanilla bean tincture. AKA Vanilla extract. :slight_smile: This took me 2 years to get my extract where I wanted it and not tasting like I just took a shot of some Smirnoff girly drink. I hope it shapes up quickly for Quint.
     
    DrMindbender likes this.
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.