Imperial stout fermentation question

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  1. Scope4Beer

    Scope4Beer Zealot (677) Sep 28, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I don't have much experience with big stouts, having done only one last year. I also don't have experience using WLP002 either. I brewed a 3 gal batch of a 1.110 OG imperial stout 7 days ago and pitched WLP002 off of a 1.8L starter calculated from yeastcalculator. As per usual, I used yeast nutrient and aerated with pure oxygen and a diffusion stone. I gave it ~80 seconds at pitching per BrewCipher and 30 additional seconds 13 hours later. I noted how little krausen it had during the first several days, max maybe 3 in, but thought it was probably the yeast. My experience with other yeasts and beers with higher gravities, albeit <1.100, has been a much more aggressive fermentation. Anyway, my curiosity led me to get a quick sample tonight to check on its progress. It read 16.1 Brix for an SG of 1.057 and AA of 45%. The anticipated FG is 1.032. So the question is, does this seem appropriate at this stage only 1 week in for a big stout or for this yeast? Or should this be further along at this point? One way or the other, I'll certainly let it sit for another couple weeks before doing anything.
     
  2. Eriktheipaman

    Eriktheipaman Pooh-Bah (2,303) Sep 4, 2010 California
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    Seems ok to me, I'd jut let it sit for a bit longer and go from there.

    Lots of useful info, but what temp?
     
  3. Scope4Beer

    Scope4Beer Zealot (677) Sep 28, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Sorry, forgot the temps. I pitched and had it at 65F the first 3 days. Brought it up to 69F over two days, so it's been there for 3-4 days now.
     
  4. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I'd say patience is in order.

    I can't say I'm surprised by it.

    Good idea.
     
  5. Lukass

    Lukass Pooh-Bah (2,891) Dec 16, 2012 Ohio
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    I'd say you're fine. Once the aggressive fermentation starts to slow, hit it with some yeast energizer to help it finish strong, and keep the temp on the warmer side of this strain (so 68-70). Another thing I like to do is rouse the yeast that's settled at the bottom, ever so slightly. I'll usually just shuffle the fermenter side-to-side a few times to get the yeast back into suspension for a bit. Not so much that it causes splashing though.

    I'd give it some time (3-4 weeks) before you think about doing anything else with it. At that point I'd say you're good to rack it off the yeast.
     
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  6. QueefLatina

    QueefLatina Initiate (0) Mar 19, 2015 New Jersey

    That's a solid temperature range for it to be in, 68-70, especially for a gravity that high, you need a warmer range. This is a side question to your process, but what size bucket or carboy did you use for your 3 gallon batch in primary?
     
  7. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I let anything over 1.1 ride for three weeks before doing anything other than temp ramping on day 3.
     
  8. Scope4Beer

    Scope4Beer Zealot (677) Sep 28, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I am using a 5 gal carboy. I wanted plenty of headspace, thinking the fermentation would be very vigorous. I learned my lesson on headspace a few years ago when I did a small 3 gal batch of a hefeweizen in a 3 gal carboy!
     
  9. Scope4Beer

    Scope4Beer Zealot (677) Sep 28, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I usually let any style go for at least 2 weeks before doing anything. Curiousity got to me given the relative lack of krausen and never having used this yeast before. Probably a mistake.
     
  10. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Usually I have some explosive fermentation with anything that big though. I used wlp007 (irish ale) recently and fermented 5 gallons of 1.123 stout in a 8 gallon bucket at 65 and STILL had krausen in my blowoff vessel. I would have been nervous too.
     
  11. Scope4Beer

    Scope4Beer Zealot (677) Sep 28, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    So a little update on this beer. I checked the gravity a few days ago and it was unchanged, still at 16.1 Brix. I therefore added yeast energizer and continued to swirl the carboy twice daily. Now tonight, 3 days after the yeast energizer and a total of 2 weeks after pitching, it is officially a stuck fermentation - still at 16.1 Brix, corrected for an OG of 1.057. Again the FG is supposed to be 1.032. It's been at 70-71F for the last week as well. At this point, based on some reading, it appears my only option to save this will be to add actively fermenting yeast from a new yeast starter. A couple questions first.

    1) How much would you add? Do you add a whole vial of yeast or a half? Do you make a 1L yeast starter or some other size? And do you try to up the gravity of the starter to match the wort currently or still shoot for 1.040?

    2) What yeast strain would you add? I used WLP002. Do I add that again or try something like WLP007 for better attenuation? Or would you go with a high gravity Trappist strain or even something clean like WLP001?
     
  12. Scope4Beer

    Scope4Beer Zealot (677) Sep 28, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I wanted to update this, not so much because anyone cares, but in case someone searches these threads with a similar question. Hopefully this will help. I did some research and decided to make a 1L starter with WLP001. I went for a standard gravity starter of 1.040 and put it on a stir plate for 24 hrs before pitching. It showed minimal activity for a day at most with barely any krausen or airlock activity. I checked the gravity tonight after four days and it dropped from 1.057 to 1.037. The expected FG was 1.032, so it's almost there and certainly will be drinkable and not the dreaded drain pour.
     
  13. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    glad things seem to be working out, please report back when you start drinking if not before :slight_smile:
     
  14. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Wlp001 is useful for so many situations like this. I have heard of people using it to finish up where dupont leaves off as well.
     
  15. Scope4Beer

    Scope4Beer Zealot (677) Sep 28, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Yep. I chose WLP001 because of it's neutral profile (allowing the English Ale to dominate the flavor), it's high alcohol tolerance, and it's not as flocculent as WLP002. I think that's why this beer got stuck in the first place, the high flocculation of 002.
     
  16. NiceFly

    NiceFly Initiate (0) Dec 22, 2011 Tajikistan

    I have to say good for you on getting a stuck fermentation going again. I have not had many, but they started in the 1.160 range so I am not sure I could call them stuck, just sticky:grimacing:. I could not get them going again.

    Anyway, glad it worked out. I would call that a win.
     
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