Imperial Stout

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  1. Thehuntmaster

    Thehuntmaster Initiate (0) Sep 2, 2009 South Africa

    Hi guys,

    Hoping someone can help me out with an imperial stout I want to brew.

    I have brewed quite a few times before, with varying success. I usually stick to IPA's and Saisons, but with winter on its way I am keen to try my hand at making a monstrously dark imperial stout.

    Most of my decent brews have used recipes from Sam Calagione's book "An Enthusiasts Guide to Homebrew Beers ", so I wanted to make use of the base recipe in the book. The recipe is as follows:

    Mash (2 Gal of water)
    6 oz Cara 8 malt
    5 oz Debittered Black Malt
    5oz Chocolate malt
    5oz Dehusked Carafa III malt
    12oz Gambrinus honey malt
    12oz Cara 45 malt

    Preboil
    12lb dry dark malt extract

    Boil
    3/4lb Turbinado sugar
    + hops (not relevant to my question)

    Yeast WLP001

    I think the recipe is for a 4 Gal batch as they mention adding another 2 Gal of water to get the OG to 1.104.

    My imperial stout preference is milkshake thick and satanically black , so I want to adjust this recipe a little. I assume the correct course is to increase the use of Black and Chocolate malt in the mash? What is the maximum amount I can add and how much of the malt extract should I remove?

    Any help would be much appreciated.
     
  2. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    Man are you planning ahead!

    A caveat here, I am not a fan of any of calagione's recipes, or most any of his stuff from dogfish, its almost always gimmicky

    Couple big things about this recipe

    1 - Do not use dark malt extract, use light DME
    2 - Do not add all the DME to the boil from the start unless you are doing a full boil
    3 - Too many malts for my tastes in the grain bill already, and its only a PM

    Going off your preferences I would do the following....(Oh and Im assuming a PM is OK)

    I would switch out the dark extract for light
    Use Pale chocolate malt instead of the carafa II and Chocolate malt, and up the amount to say 1.5#
    Keep the debittered black, and up it to 1/2#
    Add some flaked barley along with barley malt to increase the thickness of the beer (PM 3# of malt and 1.5# flaked barley)
    Get rid of 1-2# extract (to account for the partial mash of barley)
     
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  3. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    So the final recipe I would suggest would be as follows

    3.0# 2row
    1.5# Pale chocolate
    0.5# Debittered black
    8.0# Light DME
    1.5# Flaked Barley
    0.75# Sugar
    0.5# 60L crystal

    Hops are your choice
    This gets you a beer with the following stats

    1.108
    34srm - Jet black
     
  4. Thehuntmaster

    Thehuntmaster Initiate (0) Sep 2, 2009 South Africa

    Remember I am in the Southern Hemisphere, winter is a month away :stuck_out_tongue:
     
  5. Thehuntmaster

    Thehuntmaster Initiate (0) Sep 2, 2009 South Africa

    What is the reason for not using dark DME? I have never used anything but light, so I have no experience with it.
     
  6. Thehuntmaster

    Thehuntmaster Initiate (0) Sep 2, 2009 South Africa

    I was hoping to get the colour over 150 SRM :sunglasses:
     
  7. HopNuggets

    HopNuggets Initiate (0) Oct 8, 2009 Connecticut

    I'll be brewing the MoreBeer.com Imperial Stout extract kit this Saturday. I did research on extract based Impy Stout kits and found this one to be the best put together based on using Light LME and getting flavor and color from the specialty grains (my opinion).

    12# Light LME
    8oz Maltodextrin
    1# Crystal 40L
    8oz Black Roasted
    6oz Black Patent
    6oz Chocolate

    2oz Magnum - 60 mins
    2oz Cascade - 5 mins

    Wyeast 1098 British Ale - 2L Starter, Stepped up with another 2L of wort. Getting the starter going tonight so I can ferment, fridge, decant, step up, ferment, fridge, decant and pitch on Saturday.

    Going to keep it in primary for 3-4 weeks then transfer to secondary onto 2oz Medium Plus Toasted Oak Cubes that I have had soaking in Makers Mark since November 2011. I plan to have it sit on the bourbon soaked oak for 5 months and then bottle and have ready for winter (northern hemisphere) and Christmas.

    I guess I have really thought ahead... ha-ha.
     
  8. HopNuggets

    HopNuggets Initiate (0) Oct 8, 2009 Connecticut

    Light LME is more fermentable (DME even more so) and it will help to make your beer not have that "homebrew twang" with less residual sweetness left behind due to the extract. It's good practice to get your flavor and color from specialty grains added during steeping or partial mashing.
     
  9. toastw

    toastw Initiate (0) Aug 16, 2008 Texas

    And besides, you want some good age on an imperial stout anyway.
     
  10. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    Didnt know you were down south....

    As for not using dark extract, you have no idea what they added to it, so the flavor profile is difficult to accurately predict, making steeping grains very difficult to suggest. Also, dark DME/LME tends to be fairly unfermentable leaving you a very high FG and a sweetish beer
     
  11. Thehuntmaster

    Thehuntmaster Initiate (0) Sep 2, 2009 South Africa

    I forgot BA no longer shows where someone is from :grimacing:

    Seems as though the consensus is that Dark malt extract is certainly not the way to go! Maybe I should have a look at trying an all grain brew!
     
  12. rocdoc1

    rocdoc1 Savant (1,215) Jan 13, 2006 New Mexico

    Dark extract would be more user friendly if the malts used to darken it were listed. You can use black patent, carafa II, chocolate malt or roasted barley to get the same color, but the flavor profile will be very different with each of these malts. Since you have no idea what's in dark extract you might be adding a bunch of something that's already in there.
    If you feel up to it all grain does give you 100% control over the ingredients you use and therefore the flavor of your beer. I think most people are put off by the time and equipment involved in all grain but it really is pretty simple.
     
  13. HopNuggets

    HopNuggets Initiate (0) Oct 8, 2009 Connecticut

    Diving into All Grain brewing with a Big Impy Stout may not be the way to go. I'd just adjust your extract recipe to include Light Malt Extract in replacement of Dark (try www.Hopville.com to formulate your recipe). Just think the grain bill will be huge for a 1st time all grain brewer (if that is what you are).
     
  14. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    It does if you click on their avatar.

    Dark extracts are not recommended, for reasons already stated. But you can certainly build a stout from light extract and steeping grains.
     
  15. LostTraveler

    LostTraveler Initiate (0) Oct 28, 2011 Maine

    Wow, just barely May....
     
  16. Thehuntmaster

    Thehuntmaster Initiate (0) Sep 2, 2009 South Africa

    I am from South Africa :sunglasses:
     
  17. Thehuntmaster

    Thehuntmaster Initiate (0) Sep 2, 2009 South Africa

    Since the consensus is that I should base the beer on pale DME and then use the grains to get the desired flavour and colour, my next question is:

    Which are the best grains to get the desired flavour, colour and body?
    I would guess the list should include:

    Debittered Black Malt
    Chocolate malt
    Roasted Barley

    Secondly, how much of these said grains can one use in a single batch of beer (4 Gal batch)?
     
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