Importance of Siphoning??

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  1. ManBearPat

    ManBearPat Pooh-Bah (1,813) Dec 2, 2014 Colorado
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    I was wondering what the importance of siphoning is when transferring beer from my secondary to my bottling bucket, rather than simply dumping the beer from secondary to bottling bucket?

    My first batch I siphoned, and it was tasty. My second batch I simply dumped in to the bottling bucket, but haven't had any yet so I'm unsure if I may have made a big mistake....
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Dumping your beer will cause it to dissolve a bunch of extra O2 that will accelerate staling.
     
  3. invertalon

    invertalon Pooh-Bah (2,249) Jan 27, 2009 Ohio
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    You don't want to introduce oxygen prior to bottling because of oxidation.
     
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  4. BigHornyDevil

    BigHornyDevil Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2015 Pennsylvania

    You're going to introduce some oxygen by siphoning, but you don't want to introduce any more than you have to. Pouring, even if you do it carefully, will certainly do just that. Leaving as much trub/yeast sediment in your fermenter and getting as much beer as you can from your batch are a couple more reasons to siphon and not pour.
     
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  5. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    well...define big.

    none of us around here are going to recommend splashing a finished beer. not really even a debate. so next time you know.
    Cheers.
     
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  6. ManBearPat

    ManBearPat Pooh-Bah (1,813) Dec 2, 2014 Colorado
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    Thanks for the input, fellas. You have no idea how glad I am that I only did this to my IPA and not my precious RIS!!!
     
  7. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Drink it fast and you may be able to stay ahead of the staling, but hops can be the first thing to go. You'll probably also notice there is a lot sediment in the beer because dumping doesn't leave sediment behind and good siphoning can. If you keg, get that beer cold as fast as possible, because low temps slow staling. If you bottle, you are going to have to keep the beer warm for a few weeks to prime the bottles. The good news is that active yeast during priming should reduce oxygen levels some.
     
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  8. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    Have you read "how to brew" by john Palmer?
     
  9. MCBanjoMike

    MCBanjoMike Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2014 Canada (QC)

    This this this. I really pooched a batch of IPA I made a while back, oxygenated it to hell and back at bottling, but it was still decent because I drank it all within a few weeks of it being carbonated. But wait a month or two and you may find yourself pouring them down the drain. I have about 40 bottles left of one of my old batches that are awaiting that fate and I'm having a hard time forcing myself to do it...
     
  10. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Another alternative is to put a spigot on your primary...no siphoning and no dumping. Siphoning into a secondary before the bottling bucket will also introduce some O2...the less you move your beer around, the better. Can't understand why more homebrewers don't use a spigot...old habits die hard, I guess.
     
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  11. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I tried installing a spigot on my primary, but the glass shattered.* :slight_smile:

    * I didn't do this
     
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  12. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    I know some better bottle can be ordered with spigots. This seems (to me at least, I could be wrong) like it would be an area of concern for sanitation. You couldn't take the spigot apart to clean it. They make these adapter arms so you can, but I hear they are difficult to work with.
     
  13. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    No need to take spigots apart to clean...flush promptly and thoroughly and sanitize before AND after use...never had a problem (knock on wood).
     
  14. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    *knock on wood indeed.

    I'd be too worried about the nooks and crannies of the valve.
     
  15. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    You can buy a spigot for a bucket that completely disassembles. I use the cheaper, common red and white spigot often sold with bottling buckets. It can be partially disassembled, but I don't bother.

    I started using spigots 4 years ago because auto-siphons made me angry. No obvious infections since then. Easy bucket to keg closed transfers with CO2 and gravity.
     
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  16. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    #beerbrats
     
  17. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    ~8 yrs with buckets AND spigots...no infections...the key, IMHO is really cleaning/sanitizing immediately AFTER AND BEFORE use

    I've replaced 1 spigot in that timeframe...and that was because I broke the bucket
     
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  18. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    One of the main reasons I bought a speidel fermenter is it has a spigot built in. So much easier and I transferred about the same amount of junk into the bottling bucket as I did with the siphon, which is minimal. Also, it makes it that much easier to take gravity samples and taste the beer during the process to determine when its done.
     
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