India Belgian Sour Stout

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  1. MilkLeg

    MilkLeg Zealot (579) Feb 8, 2016 Canada (AB)

    I’m not saying it would be a good idea to combine all these styles in hopes of making some outstanding beer, because obviously it could lead to something being overwhelming and unbalanced. I’m thinking more of a hypothetical situation where the idea is to take all the biggest and most recognizable flavours in beer and figure out the ways they compliment and overlap with each other. My idea is India for bitter and floral hop flavour, stout for malt which can bring both sweetness and roasted bitterness, Belgian for the recognizable yeast flavour and carbonation, and sour for bacteria and fermenting alternatives. First of all, what other styles are missing here that have their own distinctiveness? Wheat beers maybe, but to me those seem to be closer to either the Belgian category or a basic lager or ale with an adjunct. Smoked beers to me are just taking the idea of roasted grains in dark beer to a different level. Lagers and ales are just a base to build these bigger flavours on so I would leave that distinction out. What else is missing here in the elementary and most noticeable flavours of modern beer styles?
     
  2. HorseheadsHophead

    HorseheadsHophead Grand Pooh-Bah (3,732) Sep 15, 2014 Colorado
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    No offense, but that sounds like a hot mess.
     
  3. MilkLeg

    MilkLeg Zealot (579) Feb 8, 2016 Canada (AB)

    The idea isn’t really to make a beer with all these flavours equally, but rather to figure out what the most basic flavours might be and balance them in different beers. I realize this is what beer brewing already does, I’m just talking about a way to categorize the most basic and recognizable flavours and link them to a particular style.
     
  4. MilkLeg

    MilkLeg Zealot (579) Feb 8, 2016 Canada (AB)

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    I saw this on brewers website not too long ago and I was basically wondering if there would be a way to simplify this graph.
     
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  5. HorseheadsHophead

    HorseheadsHophead Grand Pooh-Bah (3,732) Sep 15, 2014 Colorado
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    Yeah, I know what you're going for, I just don't think the end result would taste too well. Combing all of the most powerful flavors would probably be a mess. They would either overpower your palate and you wouldn't taste much of anything, or they would cancel each other out and there wouldn't be much to taste. I'm all for crazy new beer ideas, but you have to leave room for subtlety and harmony.
     
  6. MilkLeg

    MilkLeg Zealot (579) Feb 8, 2016 Canada (AB)

    Right, like maybe a way to combine them both equally and subtly would be a wild ale with some colour from malts and some citrus or slight bitterness.
     
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  7. eldoctorador

    eldoctorador Pooh-Bah (2,096) Dec 12, 2014 Chile
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    I'd rather combine individual beers with those characteristics in my belly
     
  8. braker649er

    braker649er Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2012 Washington

    Respect for proposing an intriguing idea ... I'd be skeptical of this mix personally, but craft beer has had a ton of "crazy" ideas that look like genius in hindsight. If a brewer pulled off something as complex as this, playing to all these very different styles' strengths, and in a way that could be appreciated by most palates, they'd get mad props. This is what homebrewing/small-batch experimenting is for!
     
  9. HorseheadsHophead

    HorseheadsHophead Grand Pooh-Bah (3,732) Sep 15, 2014 Colorado
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    I think the expression "too much of a good thing" is relevant here. :smile:
    I love IPAs, sours, stouts, and Belgian styles, but maybe not all at the same time.
     
  10. Burt

    Burt Maven (1,450) Nov 27, 2005 Rhode Island

    There is a brew that closely resembles the flavor profile that you are asking for. My Blueberry Nightmare is a polarizing brew. I enjoyed it but many think it is a hot mess,
     
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  11. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    OP - I'm tempted to point out that you forgot hot peppers and bourbon barrel aging. There are always flavors looking to be combined in some magical way, but the more conflicting flavors you add, the less likely that you'll find that magic. I like stouts, don't like them overly bitter or sour, but the Belgian angle is intriguing. IPA fans may not like a stout thrown in, the sour taste, or the Belgian yeast.
     
  12. teal

    teal Zealot (589) May 3, 2012 Wisconsin

    I don't know - I never had a stout and said "I wish I had an IPA flavor at the same time" - never had an IPA and said "I wish there was some roast coffee there too".

    The reason why I drink by style is because that's the style and specific flavors I am wanting to experience at that time. If I want IPA bitterness and citrus - I drink an IPA, if I wanted toast, malt and coffee - I drink a coffee stout.

    I'm not greedy, I don't need them all at the same exact time - I'll go 1 by 1 to get them without issue.
     
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  13. keithmurray

    keithmurray Pooh-Bah (2,967) Oct 7, 2009 Connecticut
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    *when 'innovation' goes wrong*
     
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  14. Lucular

    Lucular Grand Pooh-Bah (4,367) Jun 20, 2014 Maryland
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    Let's see. As mentioned above, other distinctive beer components you could add are barrel aging (preferably more than one barrel type) and hot peppers. Fruit is also a possibility to add another layer of complexity/muddle.

    Seriously though, if you really want to see what a beer like this would taste like just pick a Belgian, stout, IPA, and sour, and pour some of each into a glass. Try different proportions to see how that changes things. I'm sure it will taste great by the time you're finished with four beers. :wink:
     
  15. frozyn

    frozyn Maven (1,435) May 16, 2015 New York
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    This isn't the most far-fetched idea. There are stouts fermented with Belgian yeasts, sour IPAs, India stouts, belgian IPAs, etc. It would be an insanely delicate trick to combine all the "key" qualities from each of these into a single beer, of course. But you could brew a stout, fermented with a Belgian yeast that's dry hopped like an IPA and then secondary on cherries/raspberries or something similar to get at least a little tartness/sourness. Hardest part of that, off the top of my head, would be hopping with something that goes well with the fruit.

    Age in it port barrels and you'd have a helluva strange thing I'd be willing to taste. You won't see me standing in line to be the first to try brewing it, though! :wink:
     
  16. BeerPugz

    BeerPugz Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2016 Wisconsin

    Oops, we allowed lacto to enter the beer. Let's sell it anyways and name it something far out.
     
  17. JackRWatkins

    JackRWatkins Maven (1,472) Nov 3, 2014 Georgia
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    oh, you mean IBSS well it's got IBS in the name so...there
     
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  18. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    So its a new style called a Black Belgian Sour IPA?

    Sure, I'm on board. As long as its not too ashy from the dark roasted malts or too bitterly hopped it should be a pretty tasty mash up hybrid of a beer.
     
  19. HeilanCoo

    HeilanCoo Initiate (0) Sep 11, 2014 North Carolina

    Oh for fuck's sake.
    Doesn't this go completely against the Splitter mentality of the other thread?

    ... and you've lost any credibility you ever hoped to have.
     
  20. MilkLeg

    MilkLeg Zealot (579) Feb 8, 2016 Canada (AB)

    I think you’re missing the point of this thread, which I tried to make clear in my second and third posts. Seems like a lot of people just read the title and concluded that mixing these styles would be ridiculous, which I’ll admit I agree with, but the main idea was about finding the most noticeable and unique flavours in beer.
    That’s why I decided to leave the distinction of lager and ale out, because it’s a subtle difference in this sense.
     
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