Infected Berliner Weisse?

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  1. Srkolodn

    Srkolodn Savant (1,050) Dec 26, 2013 New York
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    My sour mash BW has developed a layer of white film over the top. Is this common for the sour mash technique? Can I skim the layer of film or does this need to be dumped? The wort is still not sour, its been approx 36 hours.
     
  2. homebrew311

    homebrew311 Pooh-Bah (2,144) May 19, 2008 Illinois
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    The white film is what you want, berliner weisse is technically an "infected" beer as it uses bacteria (lactobacillus) to sour it. Give it another day or two and see if it starts getting sour. When I'm making a lacto starter for a bw, the White film is what I look for.
     
  3. Srkolodn

    Srkolodn Savant (1,050) Dec 26, 2013 New York
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    Ok, thanks a lot. So I'm assuming you skin the film before bringing the kettle to a boil.
     
  4. homebrew311

    homebrew311 Pooh-Bah (2,144) May 19, 2008 Illinois
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    Well I actually use the sour wort method, I make a sour starter in a flask and pitch it in the wort after the boil. No skimming I or anything. Typically the white film will reappear in the carboy, I just rack into the keg from underneath so I don't get the white floaters in the finished product..
     
  5. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I have an experiment going on by making starters with grain to culture sour bugs. 4 of 5 replicates formed a very thick pellicle during the 2nd 24 hours. After 1 week, I tested ph (using strips) in 2 replicates, the one without the pellicle and one with a pellicle (had to break up the pellicle). The readings were 4.0-4.2. It doesn't smell great. I plan to let it go and see if it sours more, when satisfied that it is finished, I'll try to step it up again with the hope that sour bugs will dominate and off odors and flavors will subside. If satisfied, I will make a Berliner with it, white labs strain, and something that I hope to step up from a commercial strain.
     
  6. jae

    jae Initiate (0) Feb 21, 2010 Washington

    Sounds like a lactobacillus infection. I'd dump right away.
     
  7. Srkolodn

    Srkolodn Savant (1,050) Dec 26, 2013 New York
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    @homebrew311 seems to think the exact opposite. Before I put more time into it/resources or dump this brew I need to get my info right on this... Sour beers are technically infected beers but whats the deal here?
     
  8. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Yeah.. I'd say you should really look into what a berliner really is.. and what makes it sour..

    @jae was just making a funny. Lacto is what makes the beer sour. It is indeed infected if you will, with lactobacillus @homebrew311 doesn't think the opposite, he thinks the same, based on what he's said.

    The film, is lacto making a pellicle on your mash.

    No need to dump. You made it this way and it's progressing along. It's could also be a sign of too much oxygen as well. Which can cause it to taste like a dirty diaper going forward.

    Read up on the berliner thread I have here on BA.. Might toss a little insight on what works and might not work based on the think tank that is BA.
     
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