Infection issues in my brewing room.

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  1. BlackForestBrewer

    BlackForestBrewer Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2017 Colorado

    I have been home brewing for 4 years now and I finally just built my Brewing Room. The system I built is a Electric RIM system and it is working like a Dream. But I have been having major issues with "infections" in my beers at the secondary fermentation.

    I have rid myself of plastic buckets, changed out my transfer tube, Air locks, hydrometer, and beer thief. I clean all equipment with Oxy clean, Star San, or bleach water and even leave them in the bleach water and I am still getting Infections.

    1. I reuse the yeast after my first pitch but I have never had an infection issue from that can that be my issue?

    2. I am doing construction in the basement where the beer is stored but I make sure the air locks are full of sanitizer.
     
  2. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    What makes you think that you're getting wild yeast or bacterial infections?
     
  3. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Also, are you milling your grains in the same area where you ferment?
     
  4. BlackForestBrewer

    BlackForestBrewer Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2017 Colorado

    My secondary gravity is not fully lowering to bottle for one thing, pressure still showing in the air lock second, and I am tasting off flavors in the beer its self mainly in the end of the taste.
     
  5. BlackForestBrewer

    BlackForestBrewer Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2017 Colorado

    No I do it at my local supply shop.
     
  6. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Cleaning is a prerequisite to sanitizing...try using a hot PBWsoak (in addition to the Oxiclean) and get the basics down before getting caught up in things like a RIMS. Plastic buckets are not your problem if you are cleaning them properly. Sounds like you lost focus on the basics while getting enamored with the technology.
     
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  7. frozyn

    frozyn Maven (1,435) May 16, 2015 New York
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    This was my first thought as well. Despite using airlocks everywhere, I wonder if random bugs in your basement aren't making their way into your brews since you're doing construction.

    @BlackForestBrewer, as @EvenMoreJesus mentions, it would be very useful if you could describe what you are experiencing in regards to infection. You put quotes around it, so it seems you are uncertain -- there are many great homebrewers here who might be able to help you pinpoint your problem with more information.
     
  8. BlackForestBrewer

    BlackForestBrewer Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2017 Colorado

    My understanding is that Oxiclean while made of different chemicals it cleans equipment the same as PBW just for less cost.
     
  9. BlackForestBrewer

    BlackForestBrewer Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2017 Colorado

    My secondary gravity is not fully lowering to bottle for one, the pressure still showing in the air lock second, and I am tasting off flavors in the beer its self mainly in the end of the taste.
     
  10. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    No, it doesn't. Oxyclean is a neutral pH cleaner, pbw is a base. Between pbw having high pH and star san having a low pH, using the two together delivers a two prong attack that oxyclean doesn't provide.
     
  11. Eggman20

    Eggman20 Crusader (433) Feb 14, 2017 Minnesota

    So you're saying the gravity of the beer is not reaching your expected Final Gravity to bottle it? That's certainly not a sign of infection and neither would bubbling in your secondary airlock. Tasting infection can be difficult unless you have vast experience (haven't been able to myself yet).

    Have all or most of the beers made in the new system had a similar off taste to them? Or have you had a number of good beers from it to judge the current taste as "different"? Could be a system problem if this off flavor is consistent across many brewings.
     
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  12. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    This is definitely not a sign of infection, as if you did have another organism or organisms in your beer, it would, very probably, experience increased attenuation.

    If your beer isn't attenuating well, you need to check your grain supplier, your mash techniques, and your yeast health, including oxygen infusion into your wort before pitching.

    Definitely not an issue. A combination of some yeast still producing CO2 and the wort off-gassing is the probably cause of this.

    You're not getting a biofilm/pellicle on top of your beer, are you?

    What kind(s) of off-flavors? If they are phenolic or sour, you probably have an infection. If they are more harsh, bitter, or astringent, you, very probably, have an issue with your grain and/or mash technique.
     
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  13. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    This is exactly what I'm thinking. Great questions.
     
  14. BlackForestBrewer

    BlackForestBrewer Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2017 Colorado

     
  15. BlackForestBrewer

    BlackForestBrewer Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2017 Colorado

    Sour and bitter are the flavors I'm tasting.

    I was having an Issue with my Rim system spiking to high in Temp well over 160 degree. I found that It was due to the placement of the probe in the mash and not giving a true temp reading. The problem was have fixed by placing the probe at the top of liquid outlet and a second probe in the mash liquid to verify both reading temp. And the temps are now spot on.
     
  16. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Do you brew in the same area that you ferment? Specifically, what's the chance that grain dust in around your fermenters?
     
  17. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    I make my own HBW (Home Brew Wash :slight_smile:)...2:1 TSP Substitute:Oxiclean .
    Oxiclean by itself might work ok, but it's not worth the risk anymore for me..kinda also depends on how meticulous you are about cleaning promptly and keeping vessels cold when touching beer.
     
    #17 GreenKrusty101, Dec 20, 2017
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