initial impression of first brew

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  1. ablemedic49

    ablemedic49 Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2016 Virginia

    Hello fellow advocates,

    I just had the first taste of the fruits of my labor today. I have to say I'm feeling pretty underwhelmed. Let me give you the stats that I can.

    I used the Northern Brewer Block Party Amber Ale recipe and followed it to the t.
    This is an extract kit.

    Brew day was about 4 weeks ago.

    OG: unknown (didn't have a hydrometer)

    - primary fermentation 2 weeks in food grade bucket
    - bottled using auto siphon and corn sugar for primer (all equipment was sanitized)
    FG 1.018

    (If you need any more stats let me know)

    Anyways on to my impression...
    First I would like to say I am not new to beer, but new to "taste testing" "critiquing" beers. But I will try my best to describe it.

    It felt somewhat watery to be honest, not a very full body feel on the mouth. More like the feel of Natty Light or something similar. I expected a little more of that hoppy bitterness that I like with most craft Amber Ales, and it was underwhelming at best. It was carbonated, but it seemed lacking at times throughout the experience. And lastly, the ABV seems off, I mean I didn't get an OG, but I knocked back two of these in a pretty quick span of time and feel almost no effects. Maybe it was the meal I ate prior too but, something just doesn't feel right about this.

    Is there something I did wrong? Is this just the norm with extract kits? Underwhelming results? Could I salvage it by conditioning for another few weeks? Looking forward to any advice, thanks!
     
  2. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Do you have the recipe and the amount of water used / beer made?
     
  3. ablemedic49

    ablemedic49 Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2016 Virginia

    Sure,

    Steeping grains used: .5 lbs caramel 80L
    0.125 lbs special B
    0.125 Light Roasted Barley

    6 lbs Gold Malt Syrup

    1 Oz Willamette @ 60 mins

    Yeast: Muntons Ale Yeast (pitched dry >_< I think this is why I have a higher than wanted FG reading, and would explain why my beer feels weak on the Alcohol side.)

    2.5 Gal water was used for the steeping and adding of Malt extract, wort was cooled, then added to fermenter that had 2 gal cool water in it, and then I added more water (tap water) til it reached the 5 gal mark.

    All of this was per the instructions.

    I will say one thing, honestly, I am not noticing any off, or funky flavors. Which is good, I was worried I was gonna blow it somehow. But this beer just feels pretty underwhelming, like a watery near beer. I mean I can taste the hops a bit, and it has some carbonation to it, just no bite, very bland and not much going on in the alcohol department (which isn't an issue for me as long as it tastes good, but it doesn't, it might as well be an O'Doul's lol
     
  4. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I think with only one ounce of hops at 60 minutes, you underwhelmed the beer with such a small amount for 5 gallons. To me the typical Amber Ale is balanced between hops and malt, but that doesn't mean that you can't have a recipe for a hoppier version. Your kit doesn't give you that hoppy version because there was no other hops added for flavor and aroma which typically occur around the 15 minute and 5 minute marks. Kits can produce good beers, but my opinion is that they produce a beer that fits the middle description of the style. In this case you didn't realize the ingredients of your kit did not match your taste desires for the beer. There are clone kits that are available that produce great beers, so if you like a certain highly popular beer and see a clone kit for it, you've then matched your tastes to what you can expect the kit to produce.

    Looking back at your initial thread for this beer (https://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/help-with-my-first-brew.426410/#post-4836383 ) you did have some issues with warm fermentation which could also enter into your lack of satisfaction, although your post above does say that no off flavors are present.
     
  5. ablemedic49

    ablemedic49 Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2016 Virginia

    I am absolutely realizing this now, well said. I only smelled a subtle maltiness, couldn't smell that yummy floral/citrus smell of the hops. To be honest, I do taste the willamette hops, but like you said the balance is incomplete, what I have is basically a malty, lightly carbonated near beer. My preference in amber ales tends to lead towards something more hoppy like Rogue's American Amber.

    The good news is I have already made steps to move towards all grain brewing! Not that I won't continue to use extract kits from time to time, but I feel like I'm going to have a whole lot more freedom to play around with all grain. I am only waiting on my parts to come it so I can assemble my mash tun and I will be in business. Already leaning toward trying a Maibock for my first all grain (I know, I know it'll be out of season by the time it's ready, but it's still one of my favorite styles.)

    Cheers!
     
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  6. ablemedic49

    ablemedic49 Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2016 Virginia

    By the way, I finally figured out how to put a picture up. Here it is.[​IMG]
     
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  7. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    So a few things I would think are piling up for a perfectly underwhelming brew.
    First, there Are no hops in your beer. An oz at sixty is ok for bittering, but some additions from 20 minutes in to 0 minutes would get you more flavor and aroma. Maybe an oz @ 15 and another @ 0 would net what you want. Also, willamette is pretty lackluster as a hop in general. Maybe some cascade would get you closer to a craft amber.
    second, we don't know how old your malt extract or grains were. Fresh ingredients net a better beer. My local homebrew shop has fresh liquid malt extract on hand all the time, and milling grains the day before brewing or the day of is the way to go.
    The recipe in general doesn't stand out to me as a flavor bomb in general. I thi k it is made to be a ho hum super approachable beer, and there is nothing wrong with that from a marketing standpoint. Let's face it, you're on BA, so you do not represent the normal customer for these kits. You probably have exposed yourself to way more than fat tire.
    Lastly, as far as gravity goes, it has less to do with pitching your yeast dry ( I sprikle dry yeast straight into the wort myself ) but more with your use of extract. Extract does not seem to attenuate as well as all grain. It's just a way of life. Using a bit of simple sugar can dry things out and bump your alcohol up a bit, or just add more extract.
     
  8. DrMindbender

    DrMindbender Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2014 South Carolina

    Beer looks good, it just sounds like it was a very ho hum kit to begin with. Others have given some good advice, so I'll add that next time you choose a kit, make sure it's exactly what you want and if it seems lacking, look around for a different kit that's more of what you want. Most companies that build kits nowadays are trying to skimp as much as possible but still make a mediocre beer with a good profit margin...so you may want to start with a kit and add some extra hops, for example, to make the beer more pronounced and better to your liking. As you brew more, you'll become more familiar with various ingredients and what you like and don't like, but until then feel free to post up the kit/beer you're looking at or wanting to make and ask for recommendations on how to augment it better to your liking. Start paying close attention to commercial beers you like and what makes them better to you/ingredients you like and start looking for kits or clone recipes that are similar. You can take a clone or other recipe to your LHBS and they can put it together for you so it will be just like a premade kit.
     
  9. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    There is nothing floral/citrus about Willamette hops. It sounds like you were looking for an APA vs. an Amber to me. Also, Maibocks are lagers so be careful with a kit if it uses an ale yeast. And if it uses a lager yeast, make sure you can control fermentation temps.

    You might have better luck if you post the ingredients of a kit before you buy it. That way we can help you figure out if the kit will give you what you are looking for. Or, we can help build a recipe and you can avoid buying a kit altogether.
     
  10. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    There are good kits out there, and I've gotten some good ones from Northern Brewer myself. If you want a good book to read with some good solid recipes for extract brewing (and all grain versions), I recommend "Brewing Classic Styles". If you want to get another kit from NB, I suggest checking out reviews others have left for the beer. I just brewed a blonde ale mini mash kit from Austin Homebrew Supply that turned out pretty good, so good kits do exist! They are still on sale I believe.
     
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  11. ablemedic49

    ablemedic49 Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2016 Virginia

    Thank you everyone for all of the sound advice!

    Think I am going to do just that and post my next brew, as I have spent quite a bit already on the ingredients for my next batch I don't want it to be as lackluster.

    Cheers!
     
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  12. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Maibocks are also one of my favorite styles, and I don't care what time of year I drink one. Here is a link to a Maibock recipe from the book Clone Brews that I've used three times and enjoyed it every time. https://books.google.com/books?id=IlPBcoQZEo0C&q=Maibock#v=snippet&q=Maibock&f=false (Select page # 130.) I brew the extract version, and it come out with a malty sweetness that I really enjoy. I never found a bottle of the Ayinger version to see how close the clone brew comes to the real thing, but regardless, I like it. The all-grain malt substitution for the recipe is at the bottom of the page if you choose to go to all grain.

    EDIT: I just saw your new thread about Dead Guy and your comments about using ale yeast. The recipe above uses lager yeast, so you'll have to save it for when you are able to ferment around 50 degrees.
     
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  13. ablemedic49

    ablemedic49 Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2016 Virginia

    By the way, I just tried another one at room temperature, much tastier. Any reason for this? Lol. I can also feel the warmth of the alcohol with each drink, maybe it's not too much of a loss.
     
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  14. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    The warmer the beer is, the more pronounced the taste characteristics will be. However, the warmer temp will seem less thirst quenching. An extra day or two of conditioning in the bottle should not make the amount of difference that you describe, but extra conditioning time on any new beer will always make it taste better too. I find this to be especially true with home brewed IPAs; they seem to taste best starting at 2-3 weeks after bottling.
     
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