Insight on hangovers

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  1. jivex5k

    jivex5k Initiate (0) Apr 13, 2011 Florida

    It seems Belgian ales leave a much worse hangover than IPAs...
    The reason I say this is I recently celebrated:
    Belgian Independence Day
    IPA Day
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    I feel fine today, just a bit tired, but no hangover headache.
    On Belgian day, the next day my head felt like it was in a vice.
    My buddies say the same thing.

    We consumed roughly equal amounts of alcohol on both occasions. We did stay up a lot later on the Belgian night though seeing as we didn't have to work the next day.

    Does anyone have any insight on the validity/reason of this?
    My basic understanding is the use of more refined sugar in Belgian ales are a likely cause....but I'm just a drunk so I don't know much.

    Also, it leaves me wondering what styles of beer leave the worst/least hangover.
     
  2. pschul4

    pschul4 Initiate (0) Jan 7, 2011 Illinois

    This right here could have a lot to do with it. I find no matter how much I drink (within reason), I always feel better if I get a good deal of sleep that night
     
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  3. jivex5k

    jivex5k Initiate (0) Apr 13, 2011 Florida

    I got way more sleep after the Belgian celebration since I didn't have to work though, and felt 100 times worse.
    I only got 6 hours of sleep last night after IPA day since I had to get up for work today. Aside from being a bit tired it's nowhere near as bad as that Belgian one.
     
  4. kzoobrew

    kzoobrew Initiate (0) May 8, 2006 Michigan

    Hangover=Dehydration.

    Drink enough water and you will avoid them for the most part. The idea that one style will act differently than another is overplayed and inaccurate.
     
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  5. pschul4

    pschul4 Initiate (0) Jan 7, 2011 Illinois

    Hmm IDK then :confused:

    Didn't someone do a test subject study and find that different styles did cause people to report feeling worse? (I could be totally making this up and remembering something entirely different, if so I'm sorry)
     
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  6. FosterJM

    FosterJM Initiate (0) Nov 16, 2009 California

    Do this next time no matter what you are drinking. Go to the .99 store and buy 2 bottle of pedialyte. After you are done drinking. Drink these, take 2 tylenol and you can thank me later.

    Cheers!
     
  7. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,077) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    What about the effects of, say, fusel alcohols, and how they can affect drinkers that aren't accustomed to them?
     
  8. kzoobrew

    kzoobrew Initiate (0) May 8, 2006 Michigan

    I would buy that, but I suppose there is a difference between a general "feeling bad" and a hang over. There are a number of thing that could effect how you feel but if you drink enough water you will avoid many of the traditional hangover symptoms.
     
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  9. ehammond1

    ehammond1 Initiate (0) Jul 4, 2008

    I love you.
     
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  10. Kinsman

    Kinsman Maven (1,457) Aug 26, 2009 Nevada

    I wouldn't say its necessarily the presence refined sugars used in brewing, but instead the residual sugars left after fermentation. So in this case it may be the difference in attenuation and not a Belgian vs. American thing. I've always heard the reason wine has the worst hangovers is because it has more residual sugars and from personal experience I'm inclined to think that is true. Of course, it may be all in my head (kind of a placebo effect), but the whole idea of a sugar crash accompanied by dehydration could certainly make for a rather unpleasant hangover.
     
  11. pschul4

    pschul4 Initiate (0) Jan 7, 2011 Illinois

    IDK if tylenol is a good idea :slight_frown:

    http://thehealthydrinker.com/2011/01/tylenol-and-alcohol/

    Obviously Mutual <3
     
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  12. Hophead717

    Hophead717 Initiate (0) Oct 21, 2011 Massachusetts

    Certain styles can be more dehydrating--high levels of sugar can be dehydrating for instance. So, the resulting hangover from an equal quantity of alcohol from one style can be higher than from another.

    Don't take Tylenol when drinking--it's overly taxing on your liver and can cause serious long-term health effects.
     
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  13. maltmaster420

    maltmaster420 Initiate (0) Aug 17, 2005 Oregon

    Certainly overplayed, but I'm not sure it's completely inaccurate. For example, acetaldehyde is considerably more toxic than the ethanol itself, and causes a build up of pyruvate. In the process of trying to deal with the pyruvate, the body has a harder time producing glucose, and a lack of glucose flowing to the brain increases feelings of lethargy/fatigue. Thus, consuming beer with elevated leves of acetaldehyde (i.e. Budwesier) could lead to a worse hangover.

    They've also done studies on cogeners and fusels, some of which have shown a very strong link between cogeners (like methanol and formaldehyde) and hangovers.
     
  14. FosterJM

    FosterJM Initiate (0) Nov 16, 2009 California

    So is Acetamenophin okay? Im pretty sure thats what I take. Its the target knock off version.

    Cheers!
     
  15. nicnut45

    nicnut45 Zealot (671) Jan 6, 2007 Illinois

    Some brews fermented at higher temps, say many belgian beers for instance. Give off more headache causing fusel alcohols. Now, I am not saying that all brews fermented at higher temps will give you a headache, but if the brewer didnt have good control of ferm. temps and let them get a little too high then this might be one of the reasons why some people experience more hangovers from these styles. However, a lot of belgian styles are unfiltered and still contain yeast. Yeast, I beleive is one of the best sources of B vitamins you can get your hands on and some people say B vitamins will stave off a hangover.
    On a sidenote I think the reason you didnt have a hangover when you had to work is because you wake up with the mindset knowing you have to work and you kind of push your pain aside and just do what you have to do. And most of the time, depending on what work you do, you sweat it all out by noon and you are feeling better. Just my two cents! Cheers!
     
  16. nicnut45

    nicnut45 Zealot (671) Jan 6, 2007 Illinois

    No, acetominophen is the main ingredient in Tylenol. DO NOT take acetominophen after a long night of drinking. Not saying it will kill you but it is taxing on your kidneys. Most of the people on the kidney transplant waiting list in this country owe it to the fact that they OD'ed on it.

    Check out the second paragraph in this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracetamol
     
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  17. FosterJM

    FosterJM Initiate (0) Nov 16, 2009 California

    Okay, so Ill stick with pedialyte then. So what do you take then asprin? Bayer? Motrin?

    Cheers!
     
  18. Pinepoint

    Pinepoint Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2012 Minnesota

    Ditto!!
     
  19. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 California

    Tylenol ( Acetaminophen ) with alcohol? Are you serious? That is the WORST advice I have ever seen! You can cause yourself acute liver failure ( death ) in a very short period of time doing this. It isn't just taking it while drinking, it is taking it when any alcohol is metabolizing in your liver *at all*.

    Maybe you have "no issues" that you can feel, but I would stop this practice immediately.

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  20. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 California

    Wanted to add, there are people who may tolerate it just fine, but it would be safe to assume some people on BA drink too much. Those people are especially vulnerable to Acetaminophen, and surely we should not recommend Tylenol to them to combat a hangover.
     
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